Grape stage

Dutch translation: trosstadium

09:04 Jul 9, 2012
English to Dutch translations [PRO]
Science - Botany / Groeistadia BBCH van bessen (currants)
English term or phrase: Grape stage
Principal growth stage 5: Inflorescence emergence
51 Inflorescence buds and leaf buds swelling: buds closed, light brown scales visible
53 Bud burst: scales separated light green but sections visible
54 Green or red leaf red leaf tips above bud scales tips above bud scales
55 First flower buds (compact raceme) visible beside unfolded leaves
56 Beginning of raceme elongation
57 First flower bud separated on elongating raceme
59 Grape stage: all flower buds separated

Wat gebeurt er nu precies in de "grape stage" en welke term wordt in het NL voor dit stadium gebruikt?
Ghislaine Giebels (X)
Netherlands
Local time: 11:30
Dutch translation:trosstadium
Explanation:
Het vijfde groeistadium heeft betrekking op het verschijnen van de bloeiwijze of inflorescentie. Hierbij is nog geen sprake van het verschijnen van vruchten; die ontstaan namelijk pas in het zevende groeistadium.

De bloeiwijze van het geslacht Ribes is meestal de tros (raceme), of een samenstelling hiervan, de pluim (panicle).

A panicle is a compound raceme, a loose, much-branched indeterminate inflorescence with pedicellate flowers (and fruit) attached along the secondary branches; in other words, a branched cluster of flowers in which the branches are racemes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicle

Daarom zou ik er logischerwijs ‘trosstadium’ van maken: het stadium waarin alle bloemknoppen kunnen worden onderscheiden op de zich uitstrekkende tros.
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Max Nuijens
Netherlands
Local time: 11:30
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Ik heb er uiteindelijk druiventrosstadium van gemaakt!
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3 +1trosstadium
Max Nuijens
3 -1Vrucht stadium / druif stadium
annevangemert
Summary of reference entries provided
'druivenstadium'
Barend van Zadelhoff

  

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grape stage
Vrucht stadium / druif stadium


Explanation:
Hier wordt waarschijnlijk bedoelt dat in de laatste etappe de eigenlijke druif als zijnde vrucht zicht ontwikkelt.

annevangemert
France
Local time: 11:30
Native speaker of: Dutch

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  hirselina: bedoelt? Zeker niet "vrucht/druif" en "stadium" los van elkaar
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neutral  Max Nuijens: In dit stadium is er zeker nog geen sprake van vruchten of druiven. Het gaat om het van elkaar loskomen van de afzonderlijke bloemknopjes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBCH-scale_(currants)
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grape stage
trosstadium


Explanation:
Het vijfde groeistadium heeft betrekking op het verschijnen van de bloeiwijze of inflorescentie. Hierbij is nog geen sprake van het verschijnen van vruchten; die ontstaan namelijk pas in het zevende groeistadium.

De bloeiwijze van het geslacht Ribes is meestal de tros (raceme), of een samenstelling hiervan, de pluim (panicle).

A panicle is a compound raceme, a loose, much-branched indeterminate inflorescence with pedicellate flowers (and fruit) attached along the secondary branches; in other words, a branched cluster of flowers in which the branches are racemes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicle

Daarom zou ik er logischerwijs ‘trosstadium’ van maken: het stadium waarin alle bloemknoppen kunnen worden onderscheiden op de zich uitstrekkende tros.


Max Nuijens
Netherlands
Local time: 11:30
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Ik heb er uiteindelijk druiventrosstadium van gemaakt!

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agree  Wim Jonckheere
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Reference comments


14 hrs
Reference: 'druivenstadium'

Reference information:
als ik de plaatjes bekijk dan krijg ik de indruk dat 'grape' in 'grape stage' is geïnspireerd door het uiterlijk van de 'raceme', die ziet eruit als een 'druiventros'

een benadering zou dan kunnen zijn -->'grape stage: all flower buds separated', dat de 'flower buds' als de druiven worden gezien die als zelfstandige eenheden gerangschikt zijn op de nu volledig ontwikkelde 'raceme/tros' - en zo het beeld oproept van een druiventros

de gedachte achter 'grape stage' zou dan zijn 'druivenstadium'

'druivenstadium': alle bloemknoppen (druiven) gescheiden (op de volledig ontwikkelde tros)

als ik het goed begrijp behoren de druiven zelf niet tot de 'currants' (ribes)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribes

de alternatieven 'grape bud stage' (vormgeïnspireerd) en 'blossom-bud stage' (fasegeïnspireerd) hebben me niet direct een vertaling aan de hand gedaan

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flower racemes reach the 'grape bud’ stage
'grape bud’ stage wordt gebruikt als alternatief voor 'grape' stage

ook een _AFBEELDING_ van de 'grape' stage: Black currants at the ‘grape’ stage of flower development

Look for signs of the big bud mite infestation in black currants—abnormally swollen buds on young shoots. The mites migrate from these infested buds when they open in spring and spread infestation. If present, spray the bushes with lime-sulphur (3 % concentration) when the flower racemes reach the 'grape bud’ stage, or the leaves about the size of a shilling — usually at end of March or early April. If sulfur-shy varieties —'Davison's 8', 'Wellington XXX’ — are grown, reduce concentration to 2% lime-sulphur.

Black currants at the ‘grape’ stage of flower development

http://gardeners-encyclopedia.com/march/fruit

op dezelfde tak zie je diverse (sub)stadia van 'inflorescence emergence':

_AFBEELDING_: Right: Red currant at bud burst (53) to grape stage (59).

http://rvpadmin.cce.cornell.edu/pdf/weekly_update/pdf3_pdf.p...

Research at the Horticultural Research Institute found that the variety Magnus can lose 60% of its fruit if the overwintering buds are subjected to 2°C for two days when the fruit buds are at the grape stage, the period when the fruit buds are just beginning to expand (usually one or two weeks before flowering).

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/98-095.htm



'blossom-bud' stage als alternatief voor 'grape' stage

Grape stage

i. Breaking: Stage at which scales of fruit tree blossom buds begin to separate at bud apex.

ii. Burst: Stage at which fruit tree blossom buds show separated leaf tips emerging from bud apex.

iii. Cot-split: Stage shortly after petal-fall in stone-fruit when dead calyx splits to reveal small fruitlet.

iv. Fruitlet: Stage in some fruit development 2-3 weeks after petal-fall.

_^ v. Grape: Blossom-bud stage (in black currants) at which unopened flowers are revealed in tight clusters ^_

vi. Green-flower (green-cluster): Blossom-bud stage of tree fruits at which unopened flower buds are tightly clustered within a rosette of opened leaves.

http://www.cabi.org/CPC/Default.aspx?site=161&page=4064&Load...


a bit off-topic this one

flowering black currant + picture
blijkbaar geeft één 'flower/fruitbud' van de 'grape' geboorte aan een tros zwarte bessen

Blackcurrant flowers are attached to a stem or “strig” with the oldest flower at the base nearest the bud and the youngest at the tip. Each “strig” carries from 10 to 20 flowers and some buds also produce 1 or 2 shorter secondary strigs. Following bud burst and the emergence of the first 2 leaves, the flower clusters begin to be visible and from this stage they become susceptible to frost.

The flowers change colour from pink/green to red as the clusters emerge fully to hang from the bud cluster in the characteristic “grape” stage. The flowers open in succession, starting at the base of the strig. The basal flowers are less exposed and obtain better nutrition than the tip flowers which may be frosted or fail to set fruit. Basal fruits may be twice the weight of later pollinated tip fruits, set more seeds & have longer to grow.

http://informedfarmers.com/blackcurrants-winter-flowering/

RACEME

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
n. An inflorescence having stalked flowers arranged singly along an elongated unbranched axis, as in the lily of the valley.

Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia
n. A cluster; specifically, in botany, a simple inflorescence of the centripetal or indeterminate type, in which the several or many flowers are borne on somewhat equal axillary pedicels along a relatively lengthened axis or rachis. Examples are furnished by the currant, the lily-of-the-valley, the locust, etc. A raceme becomes compound when the single flowers are replaced by racemes. See inflorescence, compare spike, and see cuts under Actæa, inflorescence, and Ornithogalum.

Wiktionary
n. : An inflorescence in which the flowers are arranged along a single central axis.

GNU Webster's 1913
n. A flower cluster with an elongated axis and many one-flowered lateral pedicels, as in the currant and chokecherry.

WordNet 3.0
n. usually elongate cluster of flowers along the main stem in which the flowers at the base open first


Etymologies

Latin racēmus, a bunch of grapes :-)

http://www.wordnik.com/words/raceme

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Note added at 2 days2 hrs (2012-07-11 11:44:34 GMT) Post-grading
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Hallo Ghislaine,

Dit schoot me nog te binnen.
Ik denk dat ik de voorkeur zou verlenen aan 'druivenknop', zoals in 'flower racemes reach the 'grape bud’ stage

het geeft aan dat we hier wel met knoppen te doen hebben
een knop met subknoppen (druiven) / knop met druiven (de bloemknoppen)

druivenknopstadium

Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 20
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