interactive gesture remote

10:26 Jul 20, 2016 

You're welcome :-)

22:36 Jul 18, 2016 

Yes, it's a lot of information, but I wanna thank you all for helping me... :-)

22:22 Jul 18, 2016 

Indeed, let's hope this generally doesn't create information overload :-). Frankly speaking, I wouldn't know what to do with all this information if I were the asker of this question. There's something to be said for all the different arguments and viewpoints. I would probably end up suffering from stress or even complete paralysis of choice...

21:12 Jul 18, 2016 

yes, Jorim definitely has more than enough. probably a little too much, as often happens here in the NL-EN pair ;-)

21:10 Jul 18, 2016 

You may well be right about this (gesture vs motion) but I don't have the time right now to look much further into this. I agree with you that both concepts seem to be highly intertwined and sometimes overlap.

As far as 'interactive' is concerned, I would like to refer back to the Philips slogan I've just quoted: uWand: The solution for Smart TV interaction. To me this means that the uWand has been specifically designed for interaction with smart TVs (i.e. to provide full support for interactive television / 'interactieve televisie').

All in all, I would say that Jorim has been offered plenty of useful information and references and will therefore now leave it up to him to do with it as he pleases :-).

20:55 Jul 18, 2016 

"A main feature of the Wii Remote is its motion sensing* capability, which allows the user to interact with and manipulate items on screen via gesture recognition** and pointing through the use of accelerometer and optical sensor technology." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote )

"motion sensing capability = the basic technology underlying the system allowing motion to be detected
"gesture recognition" = that part of the system that allows us to code specific gestures (sets/kinds of movements) to mean specific things in the digital world

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_detection
**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesture_recognition

20:50 Jul 18, 2016 

"Bedien de TV met eenvoudige bewegingen en gebaren." lees ik zo:

As far as I see it, movements are more general than gestures. Gestures actually consist of one or more movements, done in a particular way.

For example, you can move your hand/mouse up or down, to make sth on the screen move up or down. This could be called a basic movement. However, Windows 10 allows you to control specific things via "gestures", which are specific sets of movements. For example, Windows 10 has a new "three finger swipe down" gesture, which minimises all active Windows, and a "three finger swipe up" gesture, to bring them back. The concepts movement + gesture are intertwined and sometimes overlap.

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The reason it is called a <font size="2" color="blue">"three finger swipe down gesture"</font>, and not a <font size="2" color="red">"three finger swipe down movement"</font> is obvious: as it becomes more complex, and starts to involve various parts of the body, aspects of physical activity, direction, speed, etc., it moves away from being a basic moveme

20:42 Jul 18, 2016 

freek, unlike changing "interactive" to "intuitive" (which is simply wrong), there is nothing particularly right or wrong about using "motion" vs "gesture" – they can both be used, but each have slightly different shades of meaning. Have a look:

"A main feature of the Wii Remote is its motion sensing* capability, which allows the user to interact with and manipulate items on screen via gesture recognition** and pointing through the use of accelerometer and optical sensor technology." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote )

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_detection
**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesture_recognition

"gesture control" is a well-known term/concept, and is perfectly correct in Asker's context.

"Gesture control is the ability to recognize and interpret movements of the human body in order to interact with and control a computer system without direct physical contact." (http://www.gartner.com/it-glossary/gesture-control/ )
"AMD Gesture Control" (http://www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/g... )

etc. etc. etc.

20:41 Jul 18, 2016 

LG omschrijft de Magic Remote - een vergelijkbaar product als de uWand - zelf als volgt:

Magic Remote | Point • Click • Control | Een afstandsbediening die werkt als een muis. Bedien de TV met eenvoudige bewegingen en gebaren.
http://www.lg.com/nl/tv-accessoires/lg-AN-MR600-magic-remote

En wat te denken van de volgende omschrijving van de uWand door Philips zelf:

uWand: The solution for Smart TV interaction

uWand is an intuitive ‘remote touch’ technology. When embedded in remote controls it gives users fluid and accurate direct pointing touchscreen like experience and 3D gesture control on TVs and set-top boxes. Unlike controls based on touch pads and gyroscopes, it is an inherently intuitive experience for point-and-click control and provides far greater accuracy for controlling the TV than gestures.
http://www.ip.philips.com/data/downloadables/1/9/6/4/uwand-d...

20:18 Jul 18, 2016 

(most likely patented, and not 'gesture control') ... so Philips had to come up with something else... (gesture control[led])...

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii-afstandsbediening

16:49 Jul 18, 2016 

uWand werkt net zoals een computermuis (en die beweeg je) en het is intuitief omdat je het geluid bijvoorbeeld harder kan zetten door een handbeweging naar boven te doen en voor zachter precies andersom. Volgende nummer: handbeweging naar rechts maken, etc.

https://avblog.nl/philips-uwand-3d-alternatief-afstandsbedie...

http://www.volkskrant.nl/economie/philips-presenteert-eigen-...

https://tweakers.net/nieuws/76698/yuixx-gaat-uwand-controlle...

http://www.nufoto.nl/fotos/168567/philips-introduceert-uwand...

(tekst uitklappen)

http://www.medium.co.uk/media/3216774/ctouch-specs-laser-air...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfVVG3Jo3EA
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10:10 Jul 18, 2016 

This might be the best option if you really want to make it absolutely clear that you're referring to the device as such. See f.i. http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130911005801/nl.

10:06 Jul 18, 2016 

Fair enough. I was thinking along the lines of articles such as http://www.zdnet.be/article/120219/belgacom-tv-krijgt-gebare... - where 'gebarenbesturing' is more or less described as a substitute for the traditional remote (afstandsbediening) - but I guess 'gebarenbediening' - as suggested by Freek - or similar terms would be fine too. Basically, however, 'gebarenbediening' could also be read as referring to the action (or the technology) rather than the device itself :-).

09:50 Jul 18, 2016 

Yes, "gebarenbediening" would also be an option. Plenty of refs for that too. However, a quick google seems to show they are both used.

09:47 Jul 18, 2016 

I'm not so sure about your statement:

"As far as I'm concerned, 'afstandsbediening' is already implicit in a translation like 'interactieve gebarenbesturing'."

If you translate it only as "interactieve gebarenbesturing", it is ambiguous whether you're talking about a "remote", as in an actual device ("een afstandsbediening"), or the action of controlling remotely ("afstandsbediening").

the src says:

interactive gesture remote
not
interactive gesture control

So I think we need to mention the "afstandsbediening" (noun) aspect too.

09:24 Jul 18, 2016 

Wat we er verder ook van vinden, het is gewoon een feit dat 'gebarenbesturing' en 'spraak- en gebarenbesturing' hot zijn op dit moment bij tv-fabrikanten. Genoeg relevante voorbeelden op het internet.

En zelfs de 'hoofdbesturing' voor smartphones laat zo te zien niet lang meer op zich wachten :-). Zie bijv. https://www.galaxyclub.nl/2014/01/samsung-galaxy-s5-oog-head...

09:22 Jul 18, 2016 

dan nog eerder 'x-bediening'

09:20 Jul 18, 2016 

As far as I'm concerned, 'afstandsbediening' is already implicit in a translation like 'interactieve gebarenbesturing'.

09:18 Jul 18, 2016 

gebaar = passive (gebarentolk, "met gebaren [met handen en voeten] konden wij ons verstaanbaar maken", maak eens een gebaar, etc.)

beweging = active and the user wants to be actively in control...!

Marketing-wise I would never go for 'gebaar'

(The Wii is even used for fitness purposes, that's pretty active!)

09:07 Jul 18, 2016 

would correspond to things like:

gesture-driven control
gesture-based control
gesture control(s)
etc.

09:05 Jul 18, 2016 

I assume the type of movements you typically make with these remotes are probably more 'refined' than you would with the average Wii console :-) Hence the term 'gestures'.

08:59 Jul 18, 2016 

On the basis of some further research, triggered/guided by Freek's comment and links, I now see that 'gebarenbesturing' would probably be more correct in this specific context. Essentially, this is also 'bewegingsgevoelige technologie' but I agree that the translation needs to be more specific here.

08:58 Jul 18, 2016 

Well, there's a difference between 'gebaar' and 'beweging' in Dutch...

All remotes are interactive, if not they're useless...

Finally: don't copy/paste bad translations...

08:53 Jul 18, 2016 

please note that I'm not saying that "bewegingsgevoelige afstandsbediening" is necessarily incorrect, but if the English uses the term "gestures", it is more correct (because more specific) to refer to them as "gebaren", than mere movements

08:51 Jul 18, 2016 

you use gestures to control things. ideally, these gestures will consist of intuitive movements (see the "intuïtieve beweging*" in your Sony ref), but they are first and foremost gestures, rather than mere movements. that is, specific physical movements with a meaning

if the English src says "interactive gesture remote", you cannot simply change this to "intuitive gesture remote"

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* "Frequente bedieningen zoals bv. volumeregeling of zenderkeuze, worden vervangen door een intuïtieve beweging." (http://download.sony-europe.com/pub/manuals/html/SGPT111_112... + http://download.sony-europe.com/pub/manuals/html/SGPT111_112... refs)

08:38 Jul 18, 2016 

a movement is general, a gesture means sth
I think the same applies to beweging vs gebaar: the latter has a meaning

see:

"Hoe de televisie te bedienen met gebaren?

Situatie
De televisie kan worden bediend met handgebaren. Met eenvoudige handgebaren kan er geschakeld worden tussen zenders, het volume aanpassen of het geluid dempen. Met de hand kan het hoofdmenu worden geopend of de aanwijzer over het scherm bewegen." (https://philips-tvconsumercare.kxondemand.com/portal/nl/Faq/... )

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"Philips laat tv bedienen met gebaren

De nieuwe afstandsbediening kan de thuisentertainment aansturen met een zwaai van de hand, beweging van een vinger of een aanslag op een miniatuur toetsenbord. Broadcom en Philips demonstreren een dergelijk apparaat tijdens de IBC beurs in de RAI in Amsterdam. Volgens Broadcom zijn afstandsbedieningen met gebaarcontrole sterk in opkomst, in navolging van spelcomputers als de Wii." (http://www.ed.nl/economie/philips/philips-laat-tv-bedienen-m... )

08:36 Jul 18, 2016 

Dat klopt en dank voor het delen van deze links. Voor de goede orde, in mijn antwoord wilde ik geenszins impliceren dat het hier om een Wii-afstandsbediening zou gaan, maar verwees ik alleen naar Nintendo als de oorspronkelijke uitvinder van dit soort technologie (zie de 'explanation').

Voor zover ik weet, wordt dit soort technologie normaliter 'bewegingsgevoelige technologie' genoemd, maar misschien is in dit specifieke geval ook wel een andere term van toepassing. Ik heb hem alleen nog niet kunnen vinden :-).

08:27 Jul 18, 2016 

http://www.ip.philips.com/licensing/program/109/uwand-direct...

http://www.coolav.co.uk/ctouch-laserair-10051781.html
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