6ème (6e année 6)

English translation: Grade 6

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French term or phrase:6ème (6e année 6)
English translation:Grade 6
Entered by: Wyley Powell

20:46 Apr 1, 2021
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Education / Pedagogy / Bilingual senior school - grade levels
French term or phrase: 6ème (6e année 6)
This is a text providing background info on a bilingual senior school in Ontario that offers the IB.

"Scolarisant un peu plus de 600 élèves de la classe de ***6ème (6e année 6) à celle de Terminale (Niveau V)***, l'école secondaire constitue la dernière partie du voyage de formation de nos élèves à [nom de l'école]."

Not sure how to render in English the part between asterisks. TIA
Wyley Powell
Canada
Local time: 06:41
Grade 6
Explanation:
I taught in a bilingual IB school in Calgary.

The Canadian English equivalent would be
**grades 6 to 12**

Since need to include some French terminology (France and Quebec), I would say **grade 6 to grade 12 - terminale France, secondaire V Québec **

How the education system works in Ontario. Publicly funded education is divided into three stages: early childhood education, for children from birth to age 6; elementary school, for students from kindergarten to grade 8; and secondary school, for students from grade 9 to 12.

Quebec High School Leaving Certificate (Secondary V, Secondaire V)
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Catherine JEAN
France
Local time: 12:41
Grading comment
Thanks to all for your help. The school in question is in Ontario, so the Quebec ed. system isn't relevant here.
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Summary of answers provided
5 +5Grade 6
Catherine JEAN
5 +16th grade
Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
3 +16th year
Lisa Rosengard
4sixth grade
MassimoA
4Year 7 (UK) / 6th Grade (USA)
Conor McAuley
Summary of reference entries provided
Official original-language sources
Nikki Scott-Despaigne

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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
6th year


Explanation:
'It incorporates the education for just over 600 pupils in the 6th year, final stage of secondary school education and training at level 5 '

Example sentence(s):
  • 'Ce sont comprises la scolarisation et la formation de peu plus de six cents élèves dans la sixième année, l'étape dernière de l'éducation et la formation au niveau cinq.'
Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:41
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Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Yolanda Broad
2 hrs

neutral  Bashiqa: There are 600 pupils in the school, not just in 6th year.
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neutral  ormiston: And what is Level 5?
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6th grade


Explanation:
Maybe

Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
Ecuador
Local time: 05:41
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Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Timothy Rake: In the USA, yes definitely
1 hr

neutral  writeaway: any refs to show this is correct for Canada?
14 hrs

neutral  Conor McAuley: Somewhat unconventional to follow a total confidence level with "Maybe".
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +5
Grade 6


Explanation:
I taught in a bilingual IB school in Calgary.

The Canadian English equivalent would be
**grades 6 to 12**

Since need to include some French terminology (France and Quebec), I would say **grade 6 to grade 12 - terminale France, secondaire V Québec **

How the education system works in Ontario. Publicly funded education is divided into three stages: early childhood education, for children from birth to age 6; elementary school, for students from kindergarten to grade 8; and secondary school, for students from grade 9 to 12.

Quebec High School Leaving Certificate (Secondary V, Secondaire V)


    https://peopleforeducation.ca › public-education-in-ontario
    https://georgiancollege.ca/wp-content/uploads/ontario_sec_equiv1.pdf
Catherine JEAN
France
Local time: 12:41
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks to all for your help. The school in question is in Ontario, so the Quebec ed. system isn't relevant here.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  writeaway: Canadian terminology
3 hrs

agree  Cyril Tollari
23 hrs

agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: Other official Ontario sources confirm this, which makes sense. If the Asker's target is also Ontario, then this is a bull's eye. If not, then more context about the target reader is needed. =)
1 day 3 hrs

agree  Claire Nolan: This is the wording in English Canada.
1 day 10 hrs

agree  Yvonne Gallagher: of course
2 days 3 hrs

neutral  Conor McAuley: I see you're new, so welcome to ProZ and to Kudoz. Not the easiest question to answer, that's for sure! I think you're decoded the source (such as it is) reasonably well, but I can't see what you've done with "6e année 6". / There is a comma missing then
4 days
  -> Hi Conor, 6e is what that year is called in the French-France education system. Année 6 is what the same year is called in the Quebecois system. The document targets francophones from France and Quebec. Grade 6 is all that's needed in English.
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sixth grade


Explanation:
In France, the sixth grade is the first class of the college. It is the last year of cycle 3.

MassimoA
Italy
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Year 7 (UK) / 6th Grade (USA)


Explanation:
https://www.frenchentree.com/living-in-france/education/fren...

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Age 11-12, 6th Grade in Canada too.

See:

http://fisna.org/scolarite/lorganisation-de-la-scolarite/com...

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Note added at 26 mins (2021-04-01 21:13:08 GMT)
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I did an IB myself.

In French you count down in school years, ending in Seconde, 1ère and Terminale, and in English you count up.

The rest of the bit between asterisks pretty much translates word for word.

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Note added at 3 days 12 hrs (2021-04-05 09:16:20 GMT)
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The full explanation is muddled between at least three systems.

So, basically "6 année 6" is a very awkward way of trying to say to the Québecois that Grade 6 in Ontario, in this school at least, is equivalent to the last year of elementary school as the Québecois understand it. That part should read "6 année sur 6" to be clearer, i.e.:

"Grade 6 of 6 (end of elementary school)".

Then five years remain in the Québec system, in what they define as secondary school, years I-V, Secondaire 5, Secondary 5.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, grades 1 to 6 (six years) and then five years of secondary school, equals 11 -- one year has "gone missing", or at least a Québecois is possibly not going to understand what "Grade 12" is.

So you're probably better leaving out "Grade 12" and calling "Terminale" "High School Graduation Year" or similar.

And there was no need to look anywhere further than Wiki for all this:

"Secondary school (école secondaire) has five grades, called secondary I-V (Sec I-V for short) or simply grades 7-11 (No 12th grade). Students are 11 to 16 years old (age of September 30), unless they repeat a grade. Upon completion of grade 11, students receive their high school diploma from the provincial government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Quebec#:~:text=Se...


The system is Ontario is quite different:

"Ministry of Education documents divide grades into two categories: Elementary (Grades 1–8) and Secondary (Grades 9–12)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Ontario#:~:text=M...

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Note added at 3 days 12 hrs (2021-04-05 09:19:30 GMT)
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Correction: up to Secondary 5


Clarification about elementary school in Québec: "Mandatory elementary education (école primaire) starts with grade 1, through to grade 6." (see the same Wiki page)

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Note added at 3 days 13 hrs (2021-04-05 10:38:10 GMT)
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So, to bring those elements together succinctly:

FR: "6ème (6e année 6) à celle de Terminale (Niveau V)" >

EN: "Grade 6 (the last year of elementary school in Quebec) to the last year of secondary school (Sec V in Quebec)"


Another -- and thankfully, last!!! -- option would be to "flatten" the text even more culturally:

"from Grade 6 until the end of secondary school"

(everybody everywhere in Canada would understand that)


And as for completing "secondary school" but then getting a "high school" diploma, well, that's one for another day, maybe....

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And here is where the "missing" year goes in Quebec:

"****High school****: High school, also sometimes called “senior high school” or “secondary high school,” marks the end of compulsory education in Canada. It normally runs from Grade 9 to 12. ****It ends in Grade 12 in all provinces except Quebec. In Quebec, after Grade 11 students instead proceed to a pre-college or university program such as CEGEP****."

https://www.ourkids.net/school/canadian-province-grade-level...

So there is no Grade 12 in Quebec.

And so, again, the author of the text is trying to compare two systems that are not the same, to re-state the point.

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Another document that suggests that there is no exact like-for-like, this time between the system in Quebec and the system in France.

Here, Secondaire 5 or Niveau V or Secondary 5 = Seconde in France!!!

In this interpretation, Collégiales 1 and Collégiales 2 could be regarded as "standard" or compulsory "classes préparatoires" for university.

Thus, in this interpretation only passing these two years will get a student admitted to university.

So here, there is no equivalence between terminale in France and Grade 11 in Quebec.

https://www.immigrer.com/faq-document-officiel-tableau-de-co...

It's VERY complicated, and I make no apologies for so many follow-up posts, especially given that the question encompassed more than one term, accidentally on the part of the poster, I would think (question posted late evening local time by Wyley).

Conor McAuley
France
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 70

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neutral  AllegroTrans: Asker did not ask for UK or USA equivalents
2 days 13 hrs
  -> See note at 20 minutes, with evidence, for Canadian equivalent. I assumed (correctly) that the English-speaking Canadian equivalent and the US equivalent would be the same...for the main part of the question.
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Reference comments


1 day 14 hrs peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: Official original-language sources

Reference information:
http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/fre/curriculum/elementary/grade6.ht...

http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curriculum/elementary/grade6.ht...

It would appear that the "6e année" in Ontario is described as "Grade 6" in Ontario... officially. ;-)

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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agree  AllegroTrans: Yes, and surprising that asker couldn't find this (she lives in Canada!)
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