brisa oceánica

English translation: oceanic breeze

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Spanish term or phrase:	brisa oceánica
English translation:	oceanic breeze
Entered by:	Barbara Cochran, MFA

17:06 Nov 23, 2018

Spanish to English translations [Non-PRO]
Art/Literary - Wine / Oenology / Viticulture / Descripción

Spanish term or phrase: brisa oceánica

In this web, in Spanish, there is a name that includes the words "Bodega oceánica". In the text of the web the adjective "oceánico" appears a lot qualifying breeze, origin, wines, and I translated it as "oceanic", although I think it would be more normal to translate it as ocean or sea breeze. I chose oceanic to maintain the Spanish idea and the sound closer to the name in Spanish. Do you, English native speakers, see it ok?

Context:

Nuestros procesos de producción se guían por el ciclo de la luna y las estrellas, que pautan,
en armonía con la brisa oceánica y las riquezas de nuestra tierra,
el día a día de la finca.

Judith Armele KudoZ activity Questions: 19 (none open) Answers: 668 Mexico
Local time: 20:20

oceanic breeze

Explanation:
I think "oceanic" reflects the register of the original phrases that use "oceánico".

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It certainly sounds more literary than the other options, and like I said, a reflection of the original register...

Selected response from:

Barbara Cochran, MFA
United States
Local time: 22:20

Grading comment

4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +3

ocean breeze

Nelson Soares

4 +1

oceanic breeze

Barbara Cochran, MFA

4 +1

sea breeze

Helena Chavarria

pelagic zephyr

neilmac

3 +1

breeze of/from the ocean

Rachel Fell

Discussion entries: 9

T o b i a s

23:02 Nov 24, 2018

Agree with Daniel Hall

Judith Armele

Mexico

ASKER

@Daniel

02:42 Nov 24, 2018

It is not excessively used in the web. However, I think your suggestion is very intelligent and an excellent option here. Thanks!

Daniel Hall

United States

02:29 Nov 24, 2018

I feel like depending on the moment in the text, the word "oceánico" should be translated as either "ocean" or "oceanic". If "oceanic" is repeated too many times in one text, it will sound stilted/uncomfortable to many native English speakers' ears. Using the word "ocean" in some parts of the text will help avoid that while still staying faithful to the grandiose feeling of "oceánico." For example, when it comes to "brisa oceánica," I would use the translation "ocean breeze;" however, in the case of "vinos oceánicos" I would say "oceanic wines."

Judith Armele

Mexico

ASKER

@neilmac

21:01 Nov 23, 2018

Ha ha, no! I definitely wasn't clear enough in the explanation of my question.

Helena Chavarria

Spain

@Judith

21:00 Nov 23, 2018

You were quite clear - it was me who couldn't imagine the seeing and reading the words. It was 'sea wine' that made me change my mind!

neilmac

Spain

Oops!

20:58 Nov 23, 2018

I thought you were looking for a product name (for example a wine).

Judith Armele

Mexico

ASKER

20:56 Nov 23, 2018

Sorry, Helena, I guess I wasn't clear enough before, but I did include this information in my original question. Thanks a lot!

Helena Chavarria

Spain

20:48 Nov 23, 2018

Now you've provided further context, I think that I would probably end up using 'oceanic';-) 'Sea/ocean wine' and 'sea/ocean origin' don't sound very nice at all, but the person who wrote the original version obviously used 'oceanic' for a reason! 'Oceanic breeze' sounds very strange but if the word appears several times throughout the text, then I suppose readers get used to it!

Judith Armele

Mexico

ASKER

@Helena

20:32 Nov 23, 2018

Better here. The part of the name is Bodega Oceánica, and that is staying as it is in italics as you suggested. My doubt is all the other times "oceánica" is being used as an adjective. In the context I included you can see one example of how it is used. In other cases it was used to qualify wine "vinos oceánicos" in others origin "origen oceánico". In all those cases it needs to be translated. Oceanic is stronger than sea, and it is a strong word in Spanish too that was chosen for a reason, marketing mostly. That is my point and that is my doubt too. Thank you very much for helping and for making me think either.

Answers

30 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

ocean breeze

Explanation:
Sug.

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"sea breeze", en español es (brisa marina; brisa de mar; brisa del mar)

Nelson Soares
Brazil
Local time: 23:20
Native speaker of:

Portuguese

31 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

oceanic breeze

Barbara Cochran, MFA
United States
Local time: 22:20
Native speaker of:

English

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks, Barbara. It does not sound awkward for an English native speaker? I thing that is the smartest option here, thinking of marketing.

Asker: Muchas gracias! Me costó decidir porque usé las dos, ocean y oceanic, pero dejo los puntos por aquí por responder teniendo en cuenta mi consulta y explicación inicial.

11 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

sea breeze

Explanation:
I would definitely use 'sea breeze'.

A sea breeze or onshore breeze is any wind that blows from a large body of water toward or onto a landmass; it develops due to differences in air pressure created by the differing heat capacities of water and dry land. As such, sea breezes are more localised than prevailing winds. Because land absorbs solar radiation far more quickly than water, a sea breeze is a common occurrence along coasts after sunrise. By contrast, a land breeze or offshore breeze is the reverse effect: dry land also cools more quickly than water and, after sunset, a sea breeze dissipates and the wind instead flows from the land towards the sea. Sea breezes and land breezes are both important factors in coastal regions' prevailing winds. The term offshore wind may refer to any wind over open water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_breeze

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The Wikipedia entries for 'ocean breeze':

Places
Ocean Breeze, Florida
Ocean Breeze, neighborhood in South Beach, Staten Island, New York
Ocean Breeze Water Park, a water park in Virginia Beach, Virginia
Ships
SS Southern Cross (1955), an ocean liner built in 1955, formerly named OceanBreeze.
Ocean Breeze (yacht), a luxury yacht formerly owned by Saddam Hussein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Breeze

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There's at least one wine called 'Ocean Breeze'

Tasting: Ocean Breeze Pinot Noir

Pinot Noir tends to be a pricey wine due to the difficulty in growing the grape, and can vary greatly in color, taste, and texture, depending on where the wine is coming from! Californian Pinots (as we’re about to try) tend to be pretty bold, compared to their European (and even American!) cousins.

http://pinotandpacifiers.com/2017/12/06/ocean-breeze-pinot-n...

And others called 'Sea Breeze'!

Sea Breeze Pinot Noir 750ml

The delicate, violet colour is inviting and implies a soft and berrylike flavour profile. On the nose there are sweet cherry and sandalwood nuances leading to an intense smoky finish on the palate. An ‘easier to match with food’ light to medium bodied red wine, would be hard to find. Being friendly with fresh salmon, trout, roast chicken, duck, vegetarian casseroles and salads are just some of the potential dance partners.

https://www.marquis-wines.com/sea-breeze-pinot-noir-750ml/

I wouldn't use 'oceanic'. I prefer 'sea breeze' to 'ocean breeze', but that's my personal preference.

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If it's part of a name, whether it's the name of a wine or winery, then I wouldn't translate it and would probably use brisa oceánica (in italics), though it's difficult to know without reading the whole text.

'Ocean' makes me think of vastness, depth and crashing waves; 'sea' brings a more gentle image to my mind.

Helena Chavarria
Spain
Local time: 04:20
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 16

Notes to answerer

Asker: Helena, I understand your point and I also prefer sea breeze, then ocean breeze and in the last place oceanic, but I wanted to maintain the original marketing Spanish idea in some way. That is why I am doubting and tend to choose my last choice. I just need to confirm if it does not sound too awkward for a native English speaker. It is not the name of the one it is part of the name of the winery.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

ormiston: this sounds better to UK English ears

1 hr

-> Thank you ormiston :-)

agree

neilmac: Also to my Jock lugs... :) Although now it's reminding me of Febreze... I think I prefer ocean...

3 hrs

-> I also have my doubts! I think it's one of those occasions when you have to go against your will!

disagree

philgoddard: Ocean has quite different connotations to sea, and I don't see why you've included so many references that don't support your answer.

23 hrs

-> Phil, thank you for disagreeing. I always appreciate your opinions. At first I only concentrated on an adjective to go with 'breeze' but later I realised that the word was going to be used with other nouns and 'ocean/oceanic' are obviously more suitable.

3 hrs confidence:

pelagic zephyr

Explanation:
Am only half-joking here...
zephyr
/ˈzɛfə/Enviar
noun
1.
LITERARY
a soft gentle breeze.
pelagic adjective

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Pelagic doesn't really work at all ... :/
But "Oceanic Zephyr" is a thing... (" ... a trend that will have you diving down into the depths of the sea to take inspiration").
And Ocean Zephyr is a boat...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pelagic

neilmac
Spain
Local time: 04:20
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 52

Notes to answerer

Asker: I will definitely let the client know this suggestion for a name of one of their wines! :)

4 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

breeze of/from the ocean

Explanation:
it may not fit in every case, but I think it sounds better this way

compare here:
https://tinyurl.com/ydh6ysm4

Rachel Fell
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:20
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 44

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