May 20, 2015 16:20
9 yrs ago
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French term
pourpoint à fraise
French to English
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Textiles / Clothing / Fashion
Historical fashion styles
Here I come again!
This is in a discussion about historical references in the work of a famous couturier of the post-War "New Look" period.
Among other features that have inspired this designer, the text mentions the bustles and wasp-waisted gowns from the Belle Époque.
The source text also mentions examples of certain fashion styles from earlier periods, including the 'crinolines de guerre' from 1916, a 'robe à pouf' by C.F. Worth, and this 'pourpoint à fraise' from the Renaissance.
Now I know that a 'pourpoint' is generally a 'doublet'; but I am unclear just what the 'à farise' qualifier implies; from what I can see, it may refer to the fact that the waistline of the doublet drops in the centre to a point at roughly crutch level — where a gentleman might have had a codpiece! On a lady, with crinolined skirts, the effect of this 'plunging waistline' could I suppose look vaguely strawberry shaped....
I have found precious few references to this term on the Internet, and many of those come from the same source — an historical fashion book; which is, however, not terribly clear as to what it actually refers to.
This is the kind of thing I imagined it might be:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/117/5/d/16th_century_...
But even so, what do we call that in EN?
This is in a discussion about historical references in the work of a famous couturier of the post-War "New Look" period.
Among other features that have inspired this designer, the text mentions the bustles and wasp-waisted gowns from the Belle Époque.
The source text also mentions examples of certain fashion styles from earlier periods, including the 'crinolines de guerre' from 1916, a 'robe à pouf' by C.F. Worth, and this 'pourpoint à fraise' from the Renaissance.
Now I know that a 'pourpoint' is generally a 'doublet'; but I am unclear just what the 'à farise' qualifier implies; from what I can see, it may refer to the fact that the waistline of the doublet drops in the centre to a point at roughly crutch level — where a gentleman might have had a codpiece! On a lady, with crinolined skirts, the effect of this 'plunging waistline' could I suppose look vaguely strawberry shaped....
I have found precious few references to this term on the Internet, and many of those come from the same source — an historical fashion book; which is, however, not terribly clear as to what it actually refers to.
This is the kind of thing I imagined it might be:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/117/5/d/16th_century_...
But even so, what do we call that in EN?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 1 +5 | doublet with collar ruff |
Philippe Etienne
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Proposed translations
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Philippe Etienne
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doublet with collar ruff
the "fraise" is that thing they had around the neck to prevent them drooling over their garnments. Or not.
Note from asker:
| Many thanks, Philippe! Sorry, the robot got there before me (I've been ill) |
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: Not "collar ruff", just "ruff". There's a picture on page 59 here: https://books.google.com/books?id=RlaR9AMfZrsC&pg=PA60&lpg=P...
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You're certainly right, I see it's very redundant. I must have thought overgeographicalizing it sounded good...
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Sheri P
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Charles Davis
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Daryo
: http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/13/1353... http://brevehistoire.free.fr/Image/HenriIV.jpg
1 day 17 hrs
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elftranslation
9 days
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
Discussion
Here is a relevant entry I just found from Termium:
Subject Field(s)
Period Costumes (Museums and Heritage)
Clothing Accessories
Domaine(s)
Costumes anciens (Muséologie et Patrimoine)
Accessoires vestimentaires
Main entry term, English
ruff
Main entry term, French
fraise
Textual Support, English
DEF – A circular collar of cambric, lawn or such-like material, in the form of a starched and goffered frill radiating from the neck; at first attached to the skirt collar band but by 1570 it had become a separate article. Source 1, record 7, English, Definition 1 - ruff
Textual Support, French
DEF – Accessoire du costume masculin et féminin à la fin du XVIe et au XVIIe siècle : collerette plissée et empesée, portée dans tous les pays de l'Europe occidentale et de forme et de volume très différents selon les pays et les périodes.