Feb 26, 2022 14:21
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French term
masque de chambre
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Construction / Civil Engineering
Underground concrete chambers for telecoms etc. installations
The context here is the 'chambres de tirage / jonction' being installed as part of a long-distance fibre-optic communications network. At various points along the line are going to be installed these pre-cast, roughly coffin-sized 'pulling chambers' for both running the optical cables into underground conduits etc. and also for housing various accessories used for junctions, including 'splice protection enclosures'.
I know what this refers to: it is the slightly thinner part of the chamber wall that possibly already has 'knockout' sections to suit pipe connections. But I'm having difficulty finding what we call these specifically in EN? The only thing I have found vaguely similar is 'transition' — but the seems to relate more to some kind of 'adaptor'.
This image illustrates the kind of idea (though this is not at all the same kind of chamber:
https://utilityconcrete.com/utilities/file_library/img/preca...
I have no further context, as this is just a set of very general preliminary specifications in an RFQ.
The EN required here is EN-GB.
I know what this refers to: it is the slightly thinner part of the chamber wall that possibly already has 'knockout' sections to suit pipe connections. But I'm having difficulty finding what we call these specifically in EN? The only thing I have found vaguely similar is 'transition' — but the seems to relate more to some kind of 'adaptor'.
This image illustrates the kind of idea (though this is not at all the same kind of chamber:
https://utilityconcrete.com/utilities/file_library/img/preca...
I have no further context, as this is just a set of very general preliminary specifications in an RFQ.
The EN required here is EN-GB.
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(English)
| 4 +1 | knockout window, duct window, duct bank window |
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| 5 +1 | knockout (wall) panel |
Johannes Gleim
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knockout window, duct window, duct bank window
The 'masque' is a panel with a reduced thickness around its edge and a number of reduced-thickness areas within it. If passing a single duct, one of the circular (generally) areas can be knocked out, as you quite correctly say, or if there are a large number of ducts (preferably - especially if you are a precast concrete products manufacturer - in a duct bank), you knock out the entire panel.
See tutorial: https://www.fransbonhomme.fr/c-ctuweb/c-ctuweb_actualites/c-...
There are a number of terms in English. You'll see 'knockout window' in the drawing here: https://www.utilitystructures.com/pdf/E39.pdf
"DUCT BANK KNOCKOUT locations shall be marked by concrete impression on the inside wall for identification.
7.4 If possible, WINDOWS for duct runs on opposite walls shall be in alignment with each other so cable can be pulled through.3
http://www.seattle.gov/documents/departments/citylight/stand...
'Duct window' illustrated here: http://portals.clevelandclinic.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket...
See tutorial: https://www.fransbonhomme.fr/c-ctuweb/c-ctuweb_actualites/c-...
There are a number of terms in English. You'll see 'knockout window' in the drawing here: https://www.utilitystructures.com/pdf/E39.pdf
"DUCT BANK KNOCKOUT locations shall be marked by concrete impression on the inside wall for identification.
7.4 If possible, WINDOWS for duct runs on opposite walls shall be in alignment with each other so cable can be pulled through.3
http://www.seattle.gov/documents/departments/citylight/stand...
'Duct window' illustrated here: http://portals.clevelandclinic.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket...
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Comment: "Thanks a lot! I appreciate your contribution, and in particular, the use of the term 'panel' in this context — being of course already familiar with 'knockout, this was the crux of the matter for me.
All your suggestions would work in many contexts, I chose the one that worked best in mine and bore repetition, as well as fitting with other established terminology in the document."
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knockout (wall) panel
Knockouts are well known in electrical context:
Knockouts are partially stamped, quarter-size openings in the electrical boxes that service such things as outlets and switches. Once removed, a knockout allows electrical wires to be run in and out of the box.
https://www.bobvila.com/articles/bob-vila-radio-removing-the...
Enclosures for some purposes have partially punched openings (knockouts) which can be removed to accommodate cables, connectors, or conduits.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electrical_enclosure
Same is also possible for precast shafts and pull-chambers.
A utility vault is an underground room providing access to subterranean public utility equipment, such as valves for water or natural gas pipes, or switchgear for electrical or telecommunications equipment.
:
Utility vaults are commonly constructed out of reinforced concrete boxes, poured concrete or brick. Small ones are usually entered through a manhole or grate on the topside and closed up by a manhole cover. Such vaults are considered confined spaces and can be hazardous to enter. Large utility vaults are similar to mechanical or electrical rooms in design and content.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_vault
48" x 48" UTILITY VAULT WITH KNOCKOUT PANELS
https://www.monarchprecast.com/productCatalog/pdf/SECTION-9-...
Knock-Out boxes are manufactured to promote field flexibility for the contractor. The thin wall knock-out pan is non-reinforced to facilitate easy installation.
https://harperprecast.com/products/knock-out-boxes/
12"X16"X12" KNOCKOUTS EACH CORNER
SUMP KNOCKOUT
https://www.anaheim.net/DocumentCenter/View/17630/1600-15B?b...
KO SERIES MULTIPURPOSE BOXES (WITH KNOCK-OUT PANELS)
https://tindallcorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Tindall-U...
(used for storm structures)
Question: I found a precast concrete vault online that will meet my application however now we are making modifications like a knockout and adding a sump. …
Answer 1: Utility Vault Company, and others, have standard vault models for electrical and storm water applications that have knockout panelsas needed.
https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=411230
3. Application
814 vaults are used to construct the underground electric system. This precast concrete vault may be used to house medium size transformers up to 501 kVA, three-phase load break junction boxes, and service connections and splices for the distribution system.
:
18“ x 18“ Knockout
:
6.1 Knockouts, Waffle
Knockouts shall be of the waffle type.
For a 30-in high vault section [B1] (Stock No. 013131, knockout shall measure 18 in by 18 in. Knockouts shall be located on all 4 walls on the outer edge of the wall, two (2) on each side, for a total of eight (8) knockouts.
For a 48-in high vault section [B2] (Stock No. 013132), knockout shall measure 15 in by 18 in. Knockouts shall be located on all 4 walls on the outer edge of the wall, four (4) on each side, for a total of 16 knockouts.
https://web8.seattle.gov/city-light-engineering-standards/Ho...
STANDARD SPECIFICATION
SECTION 03462 PRECAST CONCRETE VAULTS
:
E. Minimum wall thickness shall be 6 inches. Design knockout wall panels to accommodate loading pressures defined above.
https://www.olivenhain.com/files/docs/Engineering/StandardSp...
Communications Infrastructure
Construction Specifications
Division 27
:
(3) Conduit Entrances
(a) For conduit installed on this project, knockout panels or pre‐cast individual conduit openings may be used.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
"knockout" "precast" "utility vault" "communication" approx. 3.360 results (0.56 seconds)
"knockout" "precast" "utility vault" "optical fiber" approx. 348 results (0.45 seconds)
Knockouts are partially stamped, quarter-size openings in the electrical boxes that service such things as outlets and switches. Once removed, a knockout allows electrical wires to be run in and out of the box.
https://www.bobvila.com/articles/bob-vila-radio-removing-the...
Enclosures for some purposes have partially punched openings (knockouts) which can be removed to accommodate cables, connectors, or conduits.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electrical_enclosure
Same is also possible for precast shafts and pull-chambers.
A utility vault is an underground room providing access to subterranean public utility equipment, such as valves for water or natural gas pipes, or switchgear for electrical or telecommunications equipment.
:
Utility vaults are commonly constructed out of reinforced concrete boxes, poured concrete or brick. Small ones are usually entered through a manhole or grate on the topside and closed up by a manhole cover. Such vaults are considered confined spaces and can be hazardous to enter. Large utility vaults are similar to mechanical or electrical rooms in design and content.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_vault
48" x 48" UTILITY VAULT WITH KNOCKOUT PANELS
https://www.monarchprecast.com/productCatalog/pdf/SECTION-9-...
Knock-Out boxes are manufactured to promote field flexibility for the contractor. The thin wall knock-out pan is non-reinforced to facilitate easy installation.
https://harperprecast.com/products/knock-out-boxes/
12"X16"X12" KNOCKOUTS EACH CORNER
SUMP KNOCKOUT
https://www.anaheim.net/DocumentCenter/View/17630/1600-15B?b...
KO SERIES MULTIPURPOSE BOXES (WITH KNOCK-OUT PANELS)
https://tindallcorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Tindall-U...
(used for storm structures)
Question: I found a precast concrete vault online that will meet my application however now we are making modifications like a knockout and adding a sump. …
Answer 1: Utility Vault Company, and others, have standard vault models for electrical and storm water applications that have knockout panelsas needed.
https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=411230
3. Application
814 vaults are used to construct the underground electric system. This precast concrete vault may be used to house medium size transformers up to 501 kVA, three-phase load break junction boxes, and service connections and splices for the distribution system.
:
18“ x 18“ Knockout
:
6.1 Knockouts, Waffle
Knockouts shall be of the waffle type.
For a 30-in high vault section [B1] (Stock No. 013131, knockout shall measure 18 in by 18 in. Knockouts shall be located on all 4 walls on the outer edge of the wall, two (2) on each side, for a total of eight (8) knockouts.
For a 48-in high vault section [B2] (Stock No. 013132), knockout shall measure 15 in by 18 in. Knockouts shall be located on all 4 walls on the outer edge of the wall, four (4) on each side, for a total of 16 knockouts.
https://web8.seattle.gov/city-light-engineering-standards/Ho...
STANDARD SPECIFICATION
SECTION 03462 PRECAST CONCRETE VAULTS
:
E. Minimum wall thickness shall be 6 inches. Design knockout wall panels to accommodate loading pressures defined above.
https://www.olivenhain.com/files/docs/Engineering/StandardSp...
Communications Infrastructure
Construction Specifications
Division 27
:
(3) Conduit Entrances
(a) For conduit installed on this project, knockout panels or pre‐cast individual conduit openings may be used.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
"knockout" "precast" "utility vault" "communication" approx. 3.360 results (0.56 seconds)
"knockout" "precast" "utility vault" "optical fiber" approx. 348 results (0.45 seconds)
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