Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
espectáculos bestiales
English translation:
gruesome spectacles
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Marcelo González
Feb 7, 2020 22:46
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Spanish term
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espectáculos bestiales
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This is actually from a text for an art show in Argentina. The text reflects on how human kill in so many different situations:
Se mata por deporte: caza deportiva, tauromaquia, espectáculos bestiales, herencias de circo con gladiadores.
Other than bullfighting (tauromaquia), I can't imagine what this might describe, Maybe chicken fights and dog fights??
Se mata por deporte: caza deportiva, tauromaquia, espectáculos bestiales, herencias de circo con gladiadores.
Other than bullfighting (tauromaquia), I can't imagine what this might describe, Maybe chicken fights and dog fights??
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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Marcelo González
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competitive animal fights // animal fighting/fighting animal shows
A general term is needed, i.e., one that covers fights with dogs, cocks etc.
Admittedly, 'animal fighting shows' or 'fighting animal shows' may not sound all that common or natural, but I'm not so sure how else it could be said if we include the word 'shows,' at least without also including words like 'wild' or 'beast,' neither of which would seem to apply in the context of domesticated animals.
Another option, which is probably the best option, might be "competitive animal fights."
veterinarynews.dvm360.com › node
Federal wildlife penning ban proposed - Veterinary news - dvm360
Rush Holt (D-N.J.) introduced the bill to combat the practice of "wildlife penning," where wild animals are placed in pens with dogs for **competitive animal fights.**
www.change.org › ms-michelle-striffer-we-demand...
Petition · We demand you to make Animal Welfare and ...
What about the right to sell fur and whale shows, or **animal fighting shows.** There are still so many things going on which shouldn't in a modern union, until then ...
Dog fighting should be on ESPN - unpopularopinion - Reddit
Are there any other **animal fighting shows** on ESPN? Why do dogs deserve that against their choice? Humans fight each other, fine. But as you said, humans ...
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trappersfreedom.proboards.com › Talk Trapping and post Pics
First Alabama,Then Indiana...Now Georgia? | http://img98 ...
... legislation today to combat "wildlife penning"- fenced enclosures where wild animals are ripped apart by packs of dogs in **competitive animal fights.**
action.humanesociety.org › site › Change_Agenda_for_Animals
The HSUS and HSLF: Be the Agent of Change:
... interstate commerce of animals used in wildlife penning (fenced enclosures in which wild animals are torn apart by packs of dogs in **competitive animal fights** ...
Also, 'competitive animal fighting' ...
www.bostonherald.com › 2007/08/08 › laws-have-enough-bite
Laws have enough bite – Boston Herald
Aug 8, 2007 - Mitt Romney signed a bill making **competitive animal fighting** a felony punishable by five years in state prison, a year in jail or a $1,000 fine.
www.nhes.org › arizona-senator-pushing-state-animal-cruelty-registry
An Arizona Senator is Pushing for State Animal Cruelty Registry
Sep 28, 2017 - The most extreme forms of animal cruelty — animal torture, violence against animals, **competitive animal fighting**, and the malicious killing of an ...
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Following Andy's comments, maybe something along the lines of, 'gruesome spectacles, [the legacy of ]...' is what the author is after. (?)
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And if this is, indeed, the case, then other adjectives, including a few proposed by both Juan and José (in his agree) would work just fine.
That said, I'm still leaning towards 'competitive animal fighting/fights,' as I believe the author may be trying to underscore his point with a more generic, all-encompassing condemnation, following two (only) slightly more specific examples.
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bestiales >>> gruesome, inhumane, brutal, and shocking
Se mata por deporte = Killing for sport: (game) hunting, bull fighting, [and other] gruesome spectacles/shows, circus-type legacies with gladiators
Admittedly, 'animal fighting shows' or 'fighting animal shows' may not sound all that common or natural, but I'm not so sure how else it could be said if we include the word 'shows,' at least without also including words like 'wild' or 'beast,' neither of which would seem to apply in the context of domesticated animals.
Another option, which is probably the best option, might be "competitive animal fights."
veterinarynews.dvm360.com › node
Federal wildlife penning ban proposed - Veterinary news - dvm360
Rush Holt (D-N.J.) introduced the bill to combat the practice of "wildlife penning," where wild animals are placed in pens with dogs for **competitive animal fights.**
www.change.org › ms-michelle-striffer-we-demand...
Petition · We demand you to make Animal Welfare and ...
What about the right to sell fur and whale shows, or **animal fighting shows.** There are still so many things going on which shouldn't in a modern union, until then ...
Dog fighting should be on ESPN - unpopularopinion - Reddit
Are there any other **animal fighting shows** on ESPN? Why do dogs deserve that against their choice? Humans fight each other, fine. But as you said, humans ...
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Note added at 4 hrs (2020-02-08 03:38:30 GMT)
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trappersfreedom.proboards.com › Talk Trapping and post Pics
First Alabama,Then Indiana...Now Georgia? | http://img98 ...
... legislation today to combat "wildlife penning"- fenced enclosures where wild animals are ripped apart by packs of dogs in **competitive animal fights.**
action.humanesociety.org › site › Change_Agenda_for_Animals
The HSUS and HSLF: Be the Agent of Change:
... interstate commerce of animals used in wildlife penning (fenced enclosures in which wild animals are torn apart by packs of dogs in **competitive animal fights** ...
Also, 'competitive animal fighting' ...
www.bostonherald.com › 2007/08/08 › laws-have-enough-bite
Laws have enough bite – Boston Herald
Aug 8, 2007 - Mitt Romney signed a bill making **competitive animal fighting** a felony punishable by five years in state prison, a year in jail or a $1,000 fine.
www.nhes.org › arizona-senator-pushing-state-animal-cruelty-registry
An Arizona Senator is Pushing for State Animal Cruelty Registry
Sep 28, 2017 - The most extreme forms of animal cruelty — animal torture, violence against animals, **competitive animal fighting**, and the malicious killing of an ...
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Note added at 7 hrs (2020-02-08 06:25:08 GMT)
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Following Andy's comments, maybe something along the lines of, 'gruesome spectacles, [the legacy of ]...' is what the author is after. (?)
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Note added at 7 hrs (2020-02-08 06:46:23 GMT)
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And if this is, indeed, the case, then other adjectives, including a few proposed by both Juan and José (in his agree) would work just fine.
That said, I'm still leaning towards 'competitive animal fighting/fights,' as I believe the author may be trying to underscore his point with a more generic, all-encompassing condemnation, following two (only) slightly more specific examples.
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bestiales >>> gruesome, inhumane, brutal, and shocking
Se mata por deporte = Killing for sport: (game) hunting, bull fighting, [and other] gruesome spectacles/shows, circus-type legacies with gladiators
Peer comment(s):
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Manuel Aburto
: I like "competitive animal fights"
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Thanks, Manuel. I also like this one. I think dispensing with 'shows' is a good approach. 'Competitive animal fights' sounds very natural, as the references regarding a couple of state legislatures clearly suggest.
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philgoddard
: The trouble is you've already said bullfighting.//You're saying bullfighting and animal fighting. Bulls are animals.
3 hrs
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Yvonne Gallagher
: Overtranslation. How do you know these are fights or competitive? These days enlightened people see all animal "shows" as cruel and sadistic humans have many ways of torturing animals for "sport" or "fun".
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanks"
+1
15 mins
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Mexico
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Mexico
Confianza, certeza, creatividad.
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Works in: English to Spanish, Italian to Spanish, French to Spanish, and 6 more.
brutal/violent/shocking shows
Peer comment(s):
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José Patrício
: beastly, brutal, brute, brutish inhumane - https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/bestial
6 hrs
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Gracias José Patricio!
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Yvonne Gallagher
: nothing to do with animals then???
16 hrs
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17 hrs
Cecilia Gowar
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
I read the Alethiometer
Native in: Spanish 
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, French to Spanish, and 1 more.
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74
blood sports
I believe the use of ¨espectáculos bestiales¨is meant to embrace all activities involving the killing of animals for fun, as explained in the introduction to the sentence, before the colon.
¨A blood sport or bloodsport is a category of sport or entertainment that involves bloodshed.[1] Common examples of the former include combat sports such as cockfighting and dog fighting and some forms of hunting and fishing. Activities characterized as blood sports, but involving only human participants, include the Ancient Roman gladiatorial games.¨
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_sport
The term also chimes with the next statement about gladiators.¨Blood sports¨
in English applies only to animals these days, while the ¨official¨Spanish equivalent, ¨deportes sangrientos¨is not used in the same way:
https://co.marca.com/claro/mas-deporte/2018/01/26/5a6b7b3546...
¨A blood sport or bloodsport is a category of sport or entertainment that involves bloodshed.[1] Common examples of the former include combat sports such as cockfighting and dog fighting and some forms of hunting and fishing. Activities characterized as blood sports, but involving only human participants, include the Ancient Roman gladiatorial games.¨
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_sport
The term also chimes with the next statement about gladiators.¨Blood sports¨
in English applies only to animals these days, while the ¨official¨Spanish equivalent, ¨deportes sangrientos¨is not used in the same way:
https://co.marca.com/claro/mas-deporte/2018/01/26/5a6b7b3546...
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Yvonne Gallagher
: better than the alternatives and more likely to fit the little context we have (and also actually looks like English) but still not certain this is what is intended
19 hrs
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5 days
David Ronder
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Works in field
United Kingdom
Linguistic flair and an eye for detail
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
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44
animal baiting
Or more simply, baiting.
"During various periods of history and in different cultures around the world, various types of baiting, named for the species used, have been confirmed. These include badger-baiting, bear-baiting, bull-baiting, donkey-baiting, duck-baiting, hog-baiting, human-baiting, hyena-baiting, lion-baiting, monkey-baiting, rat-baiting, and wolf-baiting."
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Link looks dead. I'll try again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiting_(blood_sport)
"During various periods of history and in different cultures around the world, various types of baiting, named for the species used, have been confirmed. These include badger-baiting, bear-baiting, bull-baiting, donkey-baiting, duck-baiting, hog-baiting, human-baiting, hyena-baiting, lion-baiting, monkey-baiting, rat-baiting, and wolf-baiting."
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Link looks dead. I'll try again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiting_(blood_sport)
Discussion
https://www.ultimahora.es/noticias/local/2003/09/25/702789/u...
seems to be just a show with animals
What nudges me in this direction is the author's use of the colon, after which the short list, including what would be three usually death-culminating activities (for lack of a better word), beginning with sport hunting (think: elephants, tigers, etc) and bull fighting. Since competitive animal fights usually end in death as well, it seems to fit. That said, I do see your point, Andy. And thanks again :-)
i.e. I'm thinking of the cruelty inflicted on performing monkeys, the famously tortured dancing bears, etc...maybe the author was casting his net a bit wider...just a suggestion.