Glossary entry (derived from question below)
May 31, 2008 10:13
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French term
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Nez gourmand
French to English
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Wine / Oenology / Viticulture
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Couleur rouge soutenue, quelques reflets orangés brillants.
____**Nez gourmand**____ sur des fruits murs compotés puis une phase boisée qui termine sur des notes de pruneaux, de vanille et de cuir. Finale sur des tanins souples et soyeux.
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The wine is from Pauillac
Can only find 1 g-hit for "gourmet nose" and none for "gourmand nose".
Does any wine lover have any ideas? I guess there should be an official translation, but have no idea what this might be!
Any suggestions would be most gratefully received - many thanks!
____**Nez gourmand**____ sur des fruits murs compotés puis une phase boisée qui termine sur des notes de pruneaux, de vanille et de cuir. Finale sur des tanins souples et soyeux.
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The wine is from Pauillac
Can only find 1 g-hit for "gourmet nose" and none for "gourmand nose".
Does any wine lover have any ideas? I guess there should be an official translation, but have no idea what this might be!
Any suggestions would be most gratefully received - many thanks!
Proposed translations
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| 3 +4 | a rich nose |
Tony M
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| 4 | A complex nose |
Diane Partenio (X)
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| 4 | exuberant nose |
Speakering (X)
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| 3 | a lip-smacking / mouth-watering nose |
Melzie
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| 3 | Full nose |
Sheila Wilson
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Change log
Jun 1, 2008 21:49: Tony M changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/134264">Carol Gullidge's</a> old entry - "Nez gourmand"" to ""Generous nose""
Proposed translations
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a rich nose
Don't know if this is an official term, but I reckon it might be a viable contender!
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Note added at 36 mins (2008-05-31 10:49:58 GMT)
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I think any occurrence of 'greedy nose' should be regarded with the deepest suspicion! The notion of 'greedy' has so much more negative a connotation in EN than the very positive term 'gourmand' in FR, I really think dictionary entries (Collins 'Gem'?) ought to carry a linguistic health warning.
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Note added at 1 day11 hrs (2008-06-01 21:51:25 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Carol! Oddly enough, that was another term that sparng to mind right at the outset, but as so often happens, by the time I'd actually got round to posting my answer, I'd already forgotten it again! I'm so glad you found a satisfactory solution, and thank you for your appreciation of my slender contribution!
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Note added at 36 mins (2008-05-31 10:49:58 GMT)
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I think any occurrence of 'greedy nose' should be regarded with the deepest suspicion! The notion of 'greedy' has so much more negative a connotation in EN than the very positive term 'gourmand' in FR, I really think dictionary entries (Collins 'Gem'?) ought to carry a linguistic health warning.
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Note added at 1 day11 hrs (2008-06-01 21:51:25 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Carol! Oddly enough, that was another term that sparng to mind right at the outset, but as so often happens, by the time I'd actually got round to posting my answer, I'd already forgotten it again! I'm so glad you found a satisfactory solution, and thank you for your appreciation of my slender contribution!
Note from asker:
| many thanks Tony! I've actually found a couple of examples of "greedy nose", but these could well be translations. It almost seems to be a case of "anything goes" in this context :O) However, it's a serious translation (not humorous), and I'd rather err on the cautious side, so your answer could well fit the bill |
| yes, I agree entirely about taking "greedy nose" with a pinch of salt (I was!). And it wasn't "nose" I was concerned about, but the "gourmand" bit. Perhaps I should have made that clear from the start, but it seemed too obvious (that'll teach me!!) |
| I love Ji=ulie's link, and with "toasty mealy nose" and "shy nose", it almost does look as if anything goes! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Julie Barber
: Carol, "nose" would appear to be official wine language rather than any old thing and Tony's suggestion is in here: http://www.wineanorak.com/taustria.htm
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Thanks, Julie! Yes, I can certainly confirm that 'nose' is perfectly official
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writeaway
: there are lots of wine sites on the www. there are also a number of wine terminology sites.
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Thanks, W/A! Yes, indeed, i've come across some excellent, authoritative glossaries out there in the course of my extensive research.
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Diane Partenio (X)
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Thanks, Diane!
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Jonathan MacKerron
: once a nose gets greedy it wants the whole face
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Thanks, Jonathan! LOL!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanks again Tony! After MUCH trawling I eventually found a bilingual Bordeaux négociants' site, where they use "generous nose" for "nez gourmand", and if it's good enough for them, it'll be good enough for me. They even include wine from the Pauillac vineyards I'm translating for - so I'm ecstatic!
So, although your answer wasn't exactly what I was looking for, it came pretty close, and was most helpful in that you waded in pretty quickly to get the ball rolling + helped in other ways.
Cheers!"
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a lip-smacking / mouth-watering nose
or remove the article and replace nose with aromas if you don't like it. It really depends on the traget audience. Pros and wanna bes like nose...
Gourmand gives a 'make you want to drink it' feel though this may not be rich, which is why I gave these suggestions.
e.g. a 'gourmand' generic Beaujolais would definately not be rich, but considering the context this might be valid.
Gourmand gives a 'make you want to drink it' feel though this may not be rich, which is why I gave these suggestions.
e.g. a 'gourmand' generic Beaujolais would definately not be rich, but considering the context this might be valid.
Note from asker:
| many thanks Melzie! "mouth-watering nose" is one that hadn't occurred to me, and is definitely feasible - a number of convincing ghits |
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A complex nose
This is a term that is used a lot and would work very well here too, I think, to convey the heady mixture of notes they suggest. Tony's suggestion would also work quite well.
Note from asker:
| Many thanks, Diane! Until I actually found a bilingual site with the elusive term in it, this was also a contender! |
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Sheila Wilson
Spain
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Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: English, French to English
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Full nose
An alternative to a rich or complex nose - all three are used quite commonly
Note from asker:
| many thanks Sheila! As with the others, this was another great possibility, until I finally found a bilingual site with the term in it |
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exuberant nose
it seems like gourmand can also be used, referring to wines that go well with different meats
Andrew Will Cuvee Lucia Sangiovese 2005 (Ciel du Cheval Vineyard, Columbia Valley, WA)
The 2005 Andrew Will Cuvee Lucia Sangiovese (Sahn-joe-VAY-zeh) is an outstanding gourmet wine at a very reasonable price. The nose is filled with dried currant and spice. While the core of the wine is firm and pliable, it still has the structure to age. Strong and powerful, this wine exhibits all of the fruit flavors of cherry, dried plums, and other red and purple fruits. These ripe flavors are balanced by savory herbal notes and spiciness. It fills the mouth with sufficient weight on the palate and a long delicious finish.
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Andrew Will Cuvee Lucia Sangiovese 2005 (Ciel du Cheval Vineyard, Columbia Valley, WA)
The 2005 Andrew Will Cuvee Lucia Sangiovese (Sahn-joe-VAY-zeh) is an outstanding gourmet wine at a very reasonable price. The nose is filled with dried currant and spice. While the core of the wine is firm and pliable, it still has the structure to age. Strong and powerful, this wine exhibits all of the fruit flavors of cherry, dried plums, and other red and purple fruits. These ripe flavors are balanced by savory herbal notes and spiciness. It fills the mouth with sufficient weight on the palate and a long delicious finish.
[Member: $30.59 / Retail: $33.99] Pricing disclaimer.
Reference:
Note from asker:
| Many thanks Speakering! This was another one I hadn't thought of, but with strong possibilities until I finally found that bilingual site using the term. |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Tony M
: 'gourmet' (as in yr ref.) and 'gourmand' (as in this question) are 2 quite different words. / Yr ref. talks about a 'gourmet wine', which has little directly to do with 'nez gourmand' — I don't see in what way you feel yr ref. supports yr suggestion?
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yes, and i am pointing that and giving examples, so what is you note again? ah, there is a paragraph between my 1st sentence and the second one. gourmand nose, to be specific
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The html version is at: http://74.125.39.104/search?q=cache:SKIPwRa7pqcJ:www.vins-bo... with the bilingual descriptions starting on about page 7. I was over the moon when I found this - celebrations all round!
Sorry - I should have made it clear from the start that I have no problem with translating "nez" as "nose", but with "nez gourmand". Thought I'd be shot down if I simply posted "gourmand", and, as I see it, the 2 go together in this context"