Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
peintre-penseur de l’humain
English translation:
humanist painter-thinker
Added to glossary by
Helen Shiner
Oct 28, 2008 15:08
15 yrs ago
French term
peintre-penseur de l’humain
French to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
...le lecteur découvrira l’originalité du génie de ce peintre-penseur de l’humain, l’un des plus grands maîtres de la Renaissance.
From a book on Leonardo da Vinci. "l'humain" is one of those words I always seem to have trouble with, for some reason, and can never get to sound natural in English.
painter-thinker of human beings? humanity?
Many thanks in advance
From a book on Leonardo da Vinci. "l'humain" is one of those words I always seem to have trouble with, for some reason, and can never get to sound natural in English.
painter-thinker of human beings? humanity?
Many thanks in advance
Proposed translations
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Oct 29, 2008 10:31: Helen Shiner Created KOG entry
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humanist painter-thinker
Perhaps - not quite the same - but not wrong in Leonardo's case. Just a suggestion; I've had just the same problem today.
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This is the only way I could think of getting around 'thinker of the human/humanity/human condition' which unfortunately does not make sense.
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"Leonardo Da Vinci: Humanist and Anatomy Pioneer
Paper Summary:
This paper provides a look at Da Vinci's humanistic work during the late Middle Ages in Europe that brought the study of anatomy into existence. Though outlawed by the Catholic Church, dissection gave Da Vinci the ability to sketch the human body inside and out.
From the Paper:
"During the Renaissance, a movement towards humanism brought anatomy from nonexistence to theory to science. Leonardo Da Vinci was a humanist who was a part of the scientific revolution during the 15th and 16th centuries and studied medicine, in addition to mathematics, physics, art, etc. When the shift to realism became important in art, anatomy and the study of the physical body was immensely important to artists in Europe. Da Vinci rebelled against the church to take the first step in portraying the body as how it is, which is important to humanism because it focuses on the physical human body."
http://www.academon.com/lib/paper/57980.html
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The works of the four great masters, Leonardo da Vinci, Raphael, Michelangelo, and Donatello set the standard for Renaissance art. Each of these men were a student of humanism, and their works reflect the ideals of the time, especially focus on the individual. Leonardo’s most famous painting, the Mona Lisa, does not portray a famous queen or religious figure (that we know of); she is a simple woman, wearing a simple smile.
http://weuropeanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/humanism
Renaissance humanism saw no mutually exclusive polarities between the sciences and the arts, and Leonardo's studies in science and engineering are as impressive and innovative as his artistic work, recorded in notebooks comprising some 13,000 pages of notes and drawings, which fuse art and natural philosophy (the forerunner of modern science). These notes were made and maintained daily throughout Leonardo's life and travels, as he made continual observations of the world around him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci
Italian painter, draftsman, sculptor, architect, and engineer whose genius, perhaps more than that of any other figure, epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal. His Last Supper (1495–98) and Mona Lisa (c. 1503–06) are among the most widely popular and influential paintings of the Renaissance. His notebooks reveal a spirit of scientific inquiry and a mechanical inventiveness that were centuries ahead of their time.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/336408/Leonardo-da...
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Note added at 19 hrs (2008-10-29 10:32:46 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the points, French Foodie - sometimes the context just isn't there, is it?
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Note added at 5 mins (2008-10-28 15:13:31 GMT)
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This is the only way I could think of getting around 'thinker of the human/humanity/human condition' which unfortunately does not make sense.
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Note added at 33 mins (2008-10-28 15:41:23 GMT)
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"Leonardo Da Vinci: Humanist and Anatomy Pioneer
Paper Summary:
This paper provides a look at Da Vinci's humanistic work during the late Middle Ages in Europe that brought the study of anatomy into existence. Though outlawed by the Catholic Church, dissection gave Da Vinci the ability to sketch the human body inside and out.
From the Paper:
"During the Renaissance, a movement towards humanism brought anatomy from nonexistence to theory to science. Leonardo Da Vinci was a humanist who was a part of the scientific revolution during the 15th and 16th centuries and studied medicine, in addition to mathematics, physics, art, etc. When the shift to realism became important in art, anatomy and the study of the physical body was immensely important to artists in Europe. Da Vinci rebelled against the church to take the first step in portraying the body as how it is, which is important to humanism because it focuses on the physical human body."
http://www.academon.com/lib/paper/57980.html
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Note added at 42 mins (2008-10-28 15:50:57 GMT)
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The works of the four great masters, Leonardo da Vinci, Raphael, Michelangelo, and Donatello set the standard for Renaissance art. Each of these men were a student of humanism, and their works reflect the ideals of the time, especially focus on the individual. Leonardo’s most famous painting, the Mona Lisa, does not portray a famous queen or religious figure (that we know of); she is a simple woman, wearing a simple smile.
http://weuropeanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/humanism
Renaissance humanism saw no mutually exclusive polarities between the sciences and the arts, and Leonardo's studies in science and engineering are as impressive and innovative as his artistic work, recorded in notebooks comprising some 13,000 pages of notes and drawings, which fuse art and natural philosophy (the forerunner of modern science). These notes were made and maintained daily throughout Leonardo's life and travels, as he made continual observations of the world around him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci
Italian painter, draftsman, sculptor, architect, and engineer whose genius, perhaps more than that of any other figure, epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal. His Last Supper (1495–98) and Mona Lisa (c. 1503–06) are among the most widely popular and influential paintings of the Renaissance. His notebooks reveal a spirit of scientific inquiry and a mechanical inventiveness that were centuries ahead of their time.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/336408/Leonardo-da...
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Thanks for the points, French Foodie - sometimes the context just isn't there, is it?
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks to everyone. I'm sorry I could not provide more context, but I'm afraid this sentence is all I have in reference to the book on Leonardo in question. Believe me, I share Christopher's frustration, and I appreciate everyone's insightful comments."
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painter-thinker of the human condition
:)
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[DOC] Black American Existential Philosophy: Truth in Virtue of Self ...
Yet, Sartre differentiated himself as both an existentialist thinker—that is, a thinker of the human condition—as well as a phenomenologist— ...
www.temple.edu/isrst/Events/documents/JamesHaile.doc
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The Unsolved Riddle of Rembrandt's Women -
The master from Leiden was the ultimate painter of the human condition and its dignity in distress. Sex as such was so little the issue that his first ...
www.iht.com/articles/2001/11/03/melik_ed3_.php - 41k
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[DOC] Black American Existential Philosophy: Truth in Virtue of Self ...
Yet, Sartre differentiated himself as both an existentialist thinker—that is, a thinker of the human condition—as well as a phenomenologist— ...
www.temple.edu/isrst/Events/documents/JamesHaile.doc
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Note added at 7 mins (2008-10-28 15:15:32 GMT)
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The Unsolved Riddle of Rembrandt's Women -
The master from Leiden was the ultimate painter of the human condition and its dignity in distress. Sex as such was so little the issue that his first ...
www.iht.com/articles/2001/11/03/melik_ed3_.php - 41k
Peer comment(s):
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Helen Shiner
: but what is a thinker of the human condition - it just isn't said, unfortunately. Painter of the h c is nice, though.
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painter and thinker of the human form
Let's face it this man was an anatomist as well as a brilliant artist...
He even examined corpses :-)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q=painter thinker of...
He even examined corpses :-)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q=painter thinker of...
Note from asker:
Hi Liz, you are right! - he even dissected corpses to gain a deeper understanding of anatomy, but I think there might be more than just the body here - human nature, etc. |
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Helen Shiner
: As Christopher says, this is a good point, but still thinker of the human form sounds weird to my ears. His anatomizing could be said to be part of his form of humanism.
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painter of the human form and savant/philosopher on the human condition
to get around the problem of 'peintre- penseur which doesn't seem to work in English
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philosopher-painter focusing on the human condition
Or "wrestling with the human condition", "concerned with..." etc. depending on the style of your text. Using one of these forms avoid the whole "painter of..." problem. And I think "philosopher-painter" is quite a nice appellation for him...
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artist-philosopher
another permutation
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is human implicit?
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is human implicit?
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human form painter and thinker of humanity
Hello,
My try...
I hope it helps.
My try...
I hope it helps.
11 hrs
portraitist of the human
Maybe a bit free, but a "portraitist" could cover both depiction of and reflection on the human form and nature...
The "human condition" has a religious ring to my ears...
The "human condition" has a religious ring to my ears...
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