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May 29, 2009 11:56
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French term

jupon/jupe juponnée

French to English Marketing Textiles / Clothing / Fashion
A description of dresses and women's suits from the 1959 collection of a major French fashion house.

On several occasions, reference is made to a jupon and once to a jupe juponnée. I have photos, but unfortunately have no way of posting them (not in digital format) so I will do my best to describe them.
There do not seem to be any petticoats or underskirts whatsoever. The skirts are generally from a women's suit with matching jacket or blazer, in wool or tweed. They are all around knee length, with a few pleats at the waist (but not heavily pleated, just enough to give a nice round shape). One of the garments is a silk cocktail dress, with a wide, knee-length skirt.
What to call these other than simply skirts?? For now I have been putting knee-length skirt, but I really feel I'm missing something.
Many thanks in advance
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 dirndl skirt
4 Waist Petticoat
4 slip style skirt [or slip skirt]
3 drop-waist skirt

Discussion

Kathryn Sanderson May 30, 2009:
Which house? I know you can't say the name, but a hint might help in the search for images. Or did you already look for images on line?
French Foodie (asker) May 30, 2009:
Not drop-waist I'm so sorry Alison for sending you down the wrong track with the image I posted. You are absolutely right in that is a drop-waist skirt, but what I meant by "without the tie at the side" was not clear enough. These skirts do not have a drop waist, but a rather fitted waist, but the pleats and shape are exactly like the image I posted. All but one are very similar to Emma's suggestion of tulip skirt, except for the cocktail dress which is rounder and fuller in shape. I think I will have to describe them on a case-by-case basis instead of using a cover-all term for jupon...
Emma Paulay May 29, 2009:
From the context in Hazel's answer... It has to be referring to the skirt itself IMO.
Alison MacG May 29, 2009:
drop-waist skirt The image you picked out could be described as a "drop-waist skirt", but I'm not sure that has any real connection with jupon ...
Emma Paulay May 29, 2009:
Hmm... I suppose "full" would give the wrong idea too then? Have you tried "tulip skirt"? It does bring up a few pictures that seem to correspond.
French Foodie (asker) May 29, 2009:
Thanks everyone for your comments! I, too, would tend think of layered skirt for jupon, with those summery skirts with a petticoat look in mind, but these skirts have no panels or layers. Just a few pleats at the waist to give them a bit of shape - not enough to be called flounce. One of the images in Alison's link looks slightly like the skirts (but without the tie at the side or patterns)
http://www.shopreflex.fr/images/products/250x250/2/3/2316ed9...
Emma Paulay May 29, 2009:
Flounced? Brings up similar pictures to the ones Alison found:
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&um=1&sa=3&q=flounced...
Melissa McMahon May 29, 2009:
Agree with Alison Yes, these skirts with a series of panels - or even just one (eg. at the top or bottom) - is what comes to mind. I'd call that a paneled skirt.
Alison MacG May 29, 2009:
layered? tiered? Google image searches for "jupon", for "jupe juponnée" and for "layered skirt" give very similar results. Do have a look and see if the images are similar to yours.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q="jupe juponnée&um=...
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=jupon&um=1&ie=UTF-...
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&um=1&sa=1&q="layered...
Emma Paulay May 29, 2009:
Lined? If you can't see the underskirts, maybe it just means the skirt is lined - but then most skirts in that sort of range are lined so it seems strange to mention it.

Proposed translations

+1
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dirndl skirt

I remember my mother being mad on this style! I did find some ghits (images), but seem to have a problem putting in the link - sorry.
Peer comment(s):
agree Yolanda Broad : Definitely a dirndl skirt (and just the word I was looking for!)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I don't know how I missed this the first time, but the images I found for "dirnfl skirt" (on fashion pages, not for traditional costumes), fits the skirts to a T. I've opted not to put it in the glossary, however, since there are many images for "Jupon" that show layered or tiered skirts, so I think it is best to leave it open. Many thanks to all who put so much time and effort into helping me with this."
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Waist Petticoat

waist petticoat
In the 1960s, many women in France wore the jupon 'petticoat' under their skirt.
Note from asker:
Hi Hazel, thanks for taking the time to answer. I know that petticoats and crinolines were used in the 60s, but I really get the impression that they are referring to an actual skirt here, as in this description: Robe corsage drapée d’un châle. La rose couvrant la taille surplombe le large jupon. The rose is a decorative fabric flower at the waist, but I can't imagine them saying it sits above the petticoat - they must be referring to the full skirt itself.
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drop-waist skirt

This Google image result suggests that the "panels" in a paneled skirt may be either horizontal, which sounds like the skirt we're talking about, or vertical, which does not.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=o...

A search for "drop-waist skirt" shows a skirt more like the black-and-white one in Alison's link, but few or none have the pleats described.

http://images.google.com/images?q="drop-waist" skirt&oe=utf-...

http://images.google.com/images?q="drop-waist" skirt&oe=utf-...
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slip style skirt [or slip skirt]

I believe that they are referring to a skirt that is made similar to a half-slip: a slip style skirt. I also checked to see if slip styled shirt and slip skirt were used as well to describe this type of skirt and found that slip styled shirt did not appear to be in use.


jupe paysanne dirndl skirt
jupon nm U.K. petticoat, U.S. half-slip
Lexique textile de Pierre Hirsch

jupon n.m. - half-slip
Sous-vêtement féminin consistant en une jupe de lingerie montée sur un élastique à la taille.
Vocabulaire de l'habillement de Céline Dupré et de Françoise Hudon

Stylist Advice: Catch Jack Whites eye in this sexy black slip style skirt with red and White Stripes
http://www.styleray.com/brand_full.aspx?BrandId=389

The colour was especially effective for the slip style skirt midi skirt which was paired with a body con, yet still suitably feminine bra.
http://discothequeconfusion.blogspot.com/2007/09/this-was-on...

Anyways, it was a slip style skirt, small slit on the side, elastic waist and black lace trim at the bottom. I was so cute wearing that with black mary janes and a black top that I would wear over it. I even wore it when I was personal shopping at Bloomingdales with a black sweater set, black tights, and yes, black mary janes.
http://www.radomile.com/blog/2008_04_01_archive.html

Red Slip Skirt
http://www.hitchcouture.com/shop/4sale_skirts.html

jacques two-piece shirt and slip skirt Size XL EUC!!
http://www.exileworks.com/jacques-skirt.html


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Note added at 5 hrs (2009-05-29 17:56:20 GMT)
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Here's an example where both terms were used in the same article:

And they provided clothes for these various lives: suits, dresses with jackets, sweater sets, satin jeans, slip skirts, slinky bias-cut evening dresses, see-through chiffons and bouffant-skirted ingenue dresses....
Photos: Dress and jacket costume by Bill Blass. Belted long jacket and slim skirt by Calvin Klein. Short jacket over a bra and lace-trimmed slip-style skirt by Donna Karan.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/08/style/designing-for-women-...

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Note added at 6 hrs (2009-05-29 18:03:03 GMT)
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Correction:
I also checked to see if slip styled skirt and slip skirt were used as well to describe this type of skirt and found that slip styled skirt did not appear to be in use.


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Note added at 1 day16 hrs (2009-05-31 03:59:54 GMT)
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Alternate translation: tiered skirt

After looking at the following sites for jupe juponnée, I still think that they are talking about a skirt made like a woman's undergarment. However, instead of it being like the modern, sleek slip, it is more along the lines of an old-fashioned petticoat. Those petticoats were often made in tiers, with each lower tier being gathered to the tier above it.

See the pictures at the sites given below to see what I'm talking about.


Longue jupe juponnée
La revoir nous met le coeur en joie. La faire
défiler en ville ou sur nos lieux de villégiature
est un grand bonheur : hip, hip, hip, hourra !
Basque en forme à la taille. Zip invisible côté.
http://www.promod.fr/jupes/longue-jupe-juponnee-blanc-R62100...

Longue jupe juponnée
La revoir nous met le coeur en joie. La faire
défiler en ville ou sur nos lieux de villégiature
est un grand bonheur : hip, hip, hip, hourra !
Basque en forme à la taille. Zip invisible côté.
http://www.promod.fr/jupes/longue-jupe-juponnee-noir-R621001...

Jupe juponnée imprimée.
Version bobo-hippie ! Les petites ont aussi le droit à leur jupe juponnée !
Voile de coton imprimé. Coupe évasée et juponnée. Taille entièrement élastiquée pour un enfilage facile. Finition piquée. Doublure en voile de coton uni.
http://www.okaidi.com/VAD/Jupes-et-robes/Jupons/Jupe-juponne...

Plus Young Contemporary Tiered Maxi Skirt - Brown Combo
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/180-7145236-9221801?asi...|Women%27s_Clothing|B001RF7RTO&CPNG=women&ref=tgt_adv_XSB10001

Capture Cotton Voile Tiered Skirt
http://www.ezibuy.com.au/Womens/Capture/Skirts/Capture_Cotto...



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Note added at 2 days5 hrs (2009-05-31 17:27:06 GMT)
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Thanks for the kind words, French Foodie.
As far as I know, there are only two meanings for jupon: either it's a slip/petticoat/underskirt or it's the skirt-like section on a man's garment. And everything that I've found so far supports those definitions. So, as you said, it probably would be best to just use skirt and then describe what you see in the pictures.
It was great to hear from you. Thanks again.
Claire
Note from asker:
Thanks so much for all the time you've put into your answer, Claire. Unfortunately, these skirts have more shape and are of a thicker fabric (tweed and wool) than what I would consider a slip skirt to be.
I appreciate all the time you've put into this, Claire. As I mentioned, I have pictures of the skirts, it's just that they are not in digital format and so I can't post them. But as I said in the discussion, they are not at all layered/panelled/tiered. Alas, they do not look like petticoats. I truly believe I am going to have to go with a case-by-case description of each skirt, as opposed to finding a cover-all solution.
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