Jan 31, 2010 14:40
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en ne rayant pas son nom sur l'ordonnancier
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Medical
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This is from a legal document relating to a case of malpractice against a Doctor who had misdiagnosed and mistreated a patient. This is from the section where the doctor is putting forward his counterarguments against the claim. I have given some context for this phrase:
"Considérant que [...] la section des assurances sociales n'a pas répondu au moyen tiré de ce que les remplaçants exerçant au cabinet de Valenciennes avaient pu commettre une erreur en ne rayant pas son nom sur l'ordonnancier;[...]"
Any translations of the phrase in question or some explanation of how it fits in with the given context would be very welcome.
"Considérant que [...] la section des assurances sociales n'a pas répondu au moyen tiré de ce que les remplaçants exerçant au cabinet de Valenciennes avaient pu commettre une erreur en ne rayant pas son nom sur l'ordonnancier;[...]"
Any translations of the phrase in question or some explanation of how it fits in with the given context would be very welcome.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +5 | in failing to remove his name from the prescription pad |
SJLD
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| 3 -1 | not crossing out his name from the register |
Anis Farhat
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Change log
Jan 31, 2010 14:43: Stéphanie Soudais changed "Term asked" from "commettre une erreur en ne rayant pas son nom sur l\'ordonnancier" to "en ne rayant pas son nom sur l\'ordonnancier"
Proposed translations
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in failing to remove his name from the prescription pad
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I'm not going to comment on the legal bit - but this part was everyday French and I happen to know what an "ordonnancier" is :-)
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Note added at 5 hrs (2010-01-31 20:37:07 GMT)
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the doctors/physicians/medical practitioners who replaced him at the practice in Valenciennes may have been at fault for failing to cross out his name on the prescription pad
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-01-31 18:04:55 GMT)
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I'm not going to comment on the legal bit - but this part was everyday French and I happen to know what an "ordonnancier" is :-)
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the doctors/physicians/medical practitioners who replaced him at the practice in Valenciennes may have been at fault for failing to cross out his name on the prescription pad
Note from asker:
| so: in essence, that they (la section des assurances sociales) 'failed to acknowledge the argument that the replacements from the Valenciennes office could have made a mistake in failing to remove his name from the prescription pad'?? |
Peer comment(s):
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jmleger
: Yeppers, that's a roger.
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thanks jm!
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sueaberwoman
: The name of the physician to whom the practice belongs must be crossed out on the prescription form, true, but in such a way that it will still be visible. (See ref. below)
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yes, that's what I meant - in essence, his name was still on the prescription pad
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Lorna Coing
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thanks :-)
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Karen Stokes
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thanks :-)
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ACOZ (X)
: Yes - and if the "replacements" are not permanent but are merely replacing the dr for a certain time, they're referred to as "locums".
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thanks :-)
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Chris Hall
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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not crossing out his name from the register
Just a suggestion.
or croos his name out...
or croos his name out...
Peer comment(s):
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sueaberwoman
: The name of the physician to whom the practice belongs must be crossed out on the prescription form, not on a register, and in such a way that it will still be visible. (See ref. below)
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ACOZ (X)
: agree with sueaberwoman - un ordonnancier is a prescription pad.
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Reference comments
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Reference:
Personalized prescription pads are printed up for a practicing physician and are composed of standardized forms that set out the doctor's name, address and phone number, type of practice, SIRET number, and any other information desired. They then are completed by hand or by computer as to the medications, lab tests or paramedical treatment prescribed.
In order to sub for doctors in private practice who are vacationing, on leave, etc., recently licensed doctors (having successfully completed their exams and thesis) but also med students having attained a certain level of expertise may seek authorization from the Conseil de l'Ordre des Médecins.
See below for special conditions concerning the sub's use of the prescription pad:
Guide pratique du médecin remplaçant: Tout ce qu'il faut savoir ... - Google Books Result
Jean-Louis Salmon - 2009 - 57 pages
"8| Outils ORDONNANCE, FEUILLE DE SOINS, ETC
Le médecin remplaçant non thesé utilise les documents du médecin remplacé ***en rayant le nom du médecin et en indiquant son nom et sa qualité de remplaçant***.
Le médecin thesé doit utiliser ses propres ordonnances plutôt que d’utiliser les ordonnances du médecin remplacé."
www.books.google.fr/books?isbn=2294707087...
Info concerning authorization:
1ère demande de licence de remplacement - Conseil de l'Ordre des ...
Durant le remplacement, l'étudiant en médecine relève de la juridiction disciplinaire de l'Ordre des Médecins (Code de Déontologie, Article premier). ...
www.ordmed31.org/...remplacement/.../1ere-demande-de-licenc... -
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Apparently the above link doesn't work. From the same site:
http://www.ordmed31.org/exercice-medical/le-remplacement/
In order to sub for doctors in private practice who are vacationing, on leave, etc., recently licensed doctors (having successfully completed their exams and thesis) but also med students having attained a certain level of expertise may seek authorization from the Conseil de l'Ordre des Médecins.
See below for special conditions concerning the sub's use of the prescription pad:
Guide pratique du médecin remplaçant: Tout ce qu'il faut savoir ... - Google Books Result
Jean-Louis Salmon - 2009 - 57 pages
"8| Outils ORDONNANCE, FEUILLE DE SOINS, ETC
Le médecin remplaçant non thesé utilise les documents du médecin remplacé ***en rayant le nom du médecin et en indiquant son nom et sa qualité de remplaçant***.
Le médecin thesé doit utiliser ses propres ordonnances plutôt que d’utiliser les ordonnances du médecin remplacé."
www.books.google.fr/books?isbn=2294707087...
Info concerning authorization:
1ère demande de licence de remplacement - Conseil de l'Ordre des ...
Durant le remplacement, l'étudiant en médecine relève de la juridiction disciplinaire de l'Ordre des Médecins (Code de Déontologie, Article premier). ...
www.ordmed31.org/...remplacement/.../1ere-demande-de-licenc... -
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-01-31 18:08:42 GMT)
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Apparently the above link doesn't work. From the same site:
http://www.ordmed31.org/exercice-medical/le-remplacement/
Discussion
For the rest, what exactly is the accusation? Reading between the lines, it would appear that he is accused of having prescribed medication when he was no longer entitled to. And that he is denying the claim, saying that just because his name was still on the prescription pad does not mean he was prescribing. Is that it?