Jun 3, 2010 13:06
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Czech term

nástup do pracovního poměru

Czech to English Law/Patents Law (general)
Kontext: Doklady, které je nutné předložit při nástupu do pracovního poměru

Discussion

Hannah Geiger (X) Jun 3, 2010:
sorry for the typos..
Hannah Geiger (X) Jun 3, 2010:
I find this quite interesting indeed, and certainly you make a point. I don’t know if the audience is British, Australian, Canadian, US etc. etc., but certainly you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to understand this word…….I wouldn’t wish to be presenting myself as ‘elitist’ in that the average Joe cannot grasp the word ‘commencement’, because I think that they do, even those damned former immigrants such as myself (ha ha). For me ‘start’ was my first choice, but it is generally concepts one should fear, not simple words……………I think. Still, if you think of ‘dumbing down’, others may think of ‘smarting up’, certainly a worthwhile endeavor, (or endevour) should you think of ‘them’ that way….I also think that we are but humble servants as far as a language is concerned.....humble servants to both languages.....
Scott Evan Andrews Jun 3, 2010:
here's my perhaps overwhelmingly trivial point...I'm not scared of the big bad three-syllable word commencement, but at least Stateside there is an ongoing trend of simplification in government and other kinds of forms. Commencement is a beautiful word, Lenka Wolf's phrase has far more Google hits...
But certain elements of the general public, in light of many factors including immigrants with a weak command of the English language, just may not comprehend the word as much as "start". So the need in standardization is to cater to this a bit... Call it dumbing down, but the more people who successfully "get" what the meaning is thanks to simplifed (although completely accurate) words, the better and more effective will forms be completed. I'm not an advocate of "diluting" English, it's respecting diversity.
Hannah Geiger (X) Jun 3, 2010:
máte pravdu co se týče příkladu, avšak bohužel pracovní poměr a employment jsou vzájemně zaměnitelné v mnoha odkazech
www.vakobobri.cz/request.php?382
v bakalářských pracích na toto téma také....
jankaisler Jun 3, 2010:
Dnem, který je sjednán v pracovní smlouvě jako den nástupu do práce, vzniká pracovní poměr, a tedy i všechna práva a povinnosti, které z něho ..
tiscali.cz/jobs/jobs_center_050117.814042.html
Nový zákoník práce. Zákon č. 262/2006 Sb., zákoníku práce - Část II. ... (5) Při nástupu do práce musí být zaměstnanec seznámen s pracovním řádem
business.center.cz/business/.../zakonik-prace/cast2h2.aspx
Nedůslednost v originálu.
Do pracovního poměru se nenastupuje, nastupuje se do práce ...
Hanka_Kot (asker) Jun 3, 2010:
super, děkuji!
Lenka Mandryszová Jun 3, 2010:
Den nástupu do práce bych zvolia spíše jako "reporting for work" nebo "starting work"
Hanka_Kot (asker) Jun 3, 2010:
ale jak potom odlišit "den nástupu do práce" a "počátek pracovního poměru"?

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commencing employment

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děkuji
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start of employment

frequently used
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agree Hannah Geiger (X) : ....I was just about to write it.........
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agree Jana Bedanova
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agree Scott Evan Andrews : I see no reason not to use start...and it is nicely concise while conveying full meaning
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commencement of employment

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Peer comment(s):

agree Kateřina Suchánková : Používám to samé
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agree Jana Bedanova
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agree Hannah Geiger (X) : more formal, but yes...
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agree Zuzka Benesova
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beginning of employment

A slightly less formal alternative to "commencement of employement".

I know from first-hand experience that many US companies simply call this the "start date".

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start of the employment relationship

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Documents that have to be presented at the start of the employment relationship.

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commencement of the employment relationship - je take varianta
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