Jul 21, 2010 04:33
13 yrs ago
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French term
constitue l’essai d’expression proprement dit
French to English
Art/Literary
Music
musique concrète
The final quote is once again from Pierre Schaeffer.
"Le titre est un anagramme de rhapsodie. Autant dire que cette Sphoradie est non seulement un bout à bout mais bout à bout sans dessus dessous ! Ce mouvement est celui qui, d’après l’auteur, « constitue l’essai d’expression proprement dit » "
Is "essai d’expression" a fixed phrase?
I'm also at pains to fit the "proprement dit " in.
"Le titre est un anagramme de rhapsodie. Autant dire que cette Sphoradie est non seulement un bout à bout mais bout à bout sans dessus dessous ! Ce mouvement est celui qui, d’après l’auteur, « constitue l’essai d’expression proprement dit » "
Is "essai d’expression" a fixed phrase?
I'm also at pains to fit the "proprement dit " in.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | constitutes the expressive effort, in its proper sense |
Melissa McMahon
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| 3 +1 | constitutes the test of articulation, to be precise |
SMcG (X)
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Change log
Jul 21, 2010 08:38: Julie Barber changed "Term asked" from "\"constitue l’essai d’expression proprement dit\"" to "constitue l’essai d’expression proprement dit"
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constitutes the expressive effort, in its proper sense
I don't think "essai d'expression" is a set phrase, I think it just means the attempt to express oneself, the stab at expression... "expressive effort" is my best... expressive effort!
"Proprement dit": properly speaking, properly understood... well, it's rhetorical, no? When people say that, they tend to mean "in my restricted understanding of the term, which I nevertheless believe is the only 'proper' meaning".
Maybe here he means that the expressive effort is necesarily convoluted - "bout à bout sens dessus dessous" - by the way, that is supposed to be "sens dessus dessous", isn't it? Someone pointed out the typo in one of the other queries but I didn't see your response and now it's repeated here.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2010-07-21 12:15:27 GMT)
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*necessarily convoluted
"Proprement dit": properly speaking, properly understood... well, it's rhetorical, no? When people say that, they tend to mean "in my restricted understanding of the term, which I nevertheless believe is the only 'proper' meaning".
Maybe here he means that the expressive effort is necesarily convoluted - "bout à bout sens dessus dessous" - by the way, that is supposed to be "sens dessus dessous", isn't it? Someone pointed out the typo in one of the other queries but I didn't see your response and now it's repeated here.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2010-07-21 12:15:27 GMT)
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*necessarily convoluted
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Comment: "Points to Melissa for pointing out the sens/sans thingy. I also went wth the idea that it was an attempt at being expressive (phrased differently in context)"
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French term (edited):
"constitue l’essai d’expression proprement dit"
constitutes the test of articulation, to be precise
literal but...
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