Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
irrévocablement
English translation:
irrevocably
French term
irrévocablement
En complément de ma souscription, je déclare que la somme de deux millions (2.000.000) d'euros sera **irrévocablement** transférée ce jour sur le compte bancaire de la Société, le jour de la signature de ce bulletin de souscription.
Don't like "irrevocably"...
Perhaps one could use "undertake"?
I "undertake to subscribe for 20,000..."
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" I undertake to transfer the sum of two million (2,000,000) euros to the bank account of same Company today,..."
Any comments?
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Sandra & Kenneth Grossman
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Mar 16, 2012 08:17: Rob Grayson changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"
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Proposed translations
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irrevocably
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Note added at 22 mins (2012-03-16 06:43:59 GMT)
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No. Undertake means "to assume an obligation", without any other implication. A binding obligation is not necessarily irrevocable. This is an important distinction in this instance and this is why they used "irrévocablement".
| Yes, but if you undertake to do something, that is binding, and something that is binding is irrevocable (or if you don't comply with this undertaking, you would be in breach of contract) |
| OK, I hear you both. Thank you! |
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Agree entirely. "Undertake" cannot replace "irrévocable". Indeed this is not even an undertaking to do something ; in signing, the person/company is giving effect to the subscription, not simply undertaking to do so.
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writeaway
: don't see the problem. it's a word any bilingual person would know without looking it up. It's the same word in both (most??) languages and means what it means. not a word to be played around with/changed.
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AllegroTrans
: agree 100% - the word has to stay
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rkillings
: If you don't like the sound of the adverb, use the adjective instead and reword accordingly.
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Discussion
I hereby irrevocably subscribe for twenty thousand (20,000) class "A" shares in the XXX. company, at a unit price of one hundred (100) euros per share.
In addition to my subscription, I hereby undertake to irrevocably transfer the sum of two million (2,000,000) euros to the bank account of same Company this day, the date of signature of this share subscription form.
Note that the transfer of funds however takes place at some time later that day. There you could consider that you have an undertaking to do something at some future moment in time. Again, though, you will note that the transfer is to be irrevocable.
"Je déclare souscrire..." could run something along the lines of "I hereby certify subscribing irrevocably for twenty thousand Class "A" shares...". Or, "I hereby certify my irrevocable subscription for ...".
As for "en complément de ma souscription .... sera irrévocablement transférée...", this is with reference to a future event. None the less, it remains irrevocable.
"In addition to my subscription, I hereby give my undertaking that the sum of ... will be transferred irrevocably...". Or "I undertake to make an irrevocable transfer of funds in the sum of ...". Note that "irrévocablement" refers to the verb "transférer".