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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

changement de mention

English translation:

change of description

Added to glossary by Colin Morley (X)
Jan 5, 2014 15:19
10 yrs ago
French term

changement de mention

French to English Law/Patents Food & Drink appellation d'origine contrôlée
In a decree defining a particular “appellation d'origine contrôlée” (food product), a long list of storage conditions is given. The next paragraph states that “Le changement de mention se fait si et seulement si....(another list of conditions)”
I'm having trouble working out what the “changement de mention” might be. Change of name wouldn't really make sense in this context.
Proposed translations (English)
3 change of description
3 +1 labelling change
3 +1 a change in classification
3 (any changes to) product markings
3 amendment to the specification(s)

Discussion

Colin Morley (X) (asker) Jan 5, 2014:
Mark, Wendy, Patrick... Thank you all. You seem to have hit the nail on the head. I am most grateful.
patrickfor Jan 5, 2014:
yes it's Cantal cheese and "mention" is quoted many times including a sentence about the ageing of the cheese.
Les fromages Cantal ou Fourme de Cantal portent la mention « jeune », « entre-deux » ou « vieux » en fonction de la durée d'affinage et du taux d'extrait sec définis comme suit (...)
- Le changement de mention se fait si et seulement si le produit est maintenu dans les conditions d'affinage (...)
- Indépendamment des mentions réglementaires applicables à tous les fromages et de celles prévues à l'article 13 ci-après
- L'emploi de tout qualitatif ou autre mention accompagnant ladite appellation d'origine est interdit
(...)

http://androuet.com/Cantal-142.html
Wendy Streitparth Jan 5, 2014:
Sorry, Mark. Your comment wasn't there when I started writing.
Wendy Streitparth Jan 5, 2014:
@ Colin: I don't know if this is the cheese in question, but in this case I think the changement de mention is referring to the age of the cheese.
a) Jeune : la durée d'affinage est de 30 jours minimum et 60 jours maximum, l'extrait sec de 57 % minimum ;

b) Entre-deux : la durée d'affinage est de 90 jours minimum et 210 jours maximum, l'extrait sec de 58 % minimum ;

c) Vieux : la durée d'affinage est de 240 jours minimum, l'extrait sec de 60 % minimum.
Mark Nathan Jan 5, 2014:
Could it be related to the cheese being described as aged for 6 months, 12 months etc ?
patrickfor Jan 5, 2014:
Ok then it has no special meaning it'a a change in the labelling within an AOC... there can be many changes in the mentions.
mention is there a generic word about what has to/cannot be mentioned on the label.
Colin Morley (X) (asker) Jan 5, 2014:
More context The product is a cheese, and the conditions stipulated are for where and for how long it must be ripened (within a particular geographical area). The "changement de mention" can only happen if it is kept in the prescribed conditions (which is what is confusing me). Later it is stipulated that if it is moved between one authorised producer or area and another then it is NOT in breach of conditions. I hope this helps.
patrickfor Jan 5, 2014:
More context obviously needed.... "mention" can be many things
Lorraine Dubuc Jan 5, 2014:
Would it be possible to see the list of conditions for the second paragraph?
Daryo Jan 5, 2014:
"I'm having trouble working out what the “changement de mention” might be."
Not having the full ST available, we would have even more trouble.
Anything that could suggest what this "mention" is? Where does it appear? on the product label? Under which circumstances? Any indication as to the exact wording of this "mention"?
Virginie Mair Jan 5, 2014:
certification?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation_d'origine_contrôlée

Proposed translations

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change of description

Perhaps if you gave us some of the conditions it would be clearer. But usually it is a matter of complying with conditions in order to have the right to use the specific description "AOC .....".

With wine you get refinements such AOC Bordeaux, AOC Médoc, AOC Pauillac denoting smaller and smaller areas.
Note from asker:
Thanks Mark - conditions relate to a specific area where the product may be stored or treated. In the case of the "changement de mention" the product can be moved from place to place, but only within strict conditions (without losing its 'apellation') hence the illogicality of it being a change of name
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to you and to others who helped with this. I had overlooked the obvious, really as already "mentioned" elsewhere in the text! You all saw the logic that I missed!"
+1
49 mins

labelling change

je crois
ou enrore : product designation change
Note from asker:
Merci, Lorraine, mais pour retenir l' apellation d'origine contrôlée on ne voudrait pas tellement changer la désignation du produit.
Peer comment(s):
agree patrickfor : oui c'est une mention qui varie suivant l'age ca ne change pas l'AOC.
3 hrs
Merci! Je crois que c'est l'appellation, par exemple 1 an ou 2 ans, qui constitue le changement en autant que ce soit dans le respect des conditions de l'appellation?
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1 hr

(any changes to) product markings

I wonder if this could do, being sufficiently general.
Here are some (more specific) instances:


CE Marking and Licensing Changes » Pyroguard
www.pyroguard.eu/ce-marking-licensing-changes/‎
If you are processing Pyroguard (cutting/sawing from stock sheets) then you are not considered to be changing the product but this does mean that you need to ...


When does a change invalidate my CE Marking? - Electronics Weekly
www.electronicsweekly.com/.../when-does-a-change-i...‎
13 oct. 2010 - CE Marking is a 'self-declaration' process and hence the manufacturer decides if its product complies with the appropriate directive or not – not ...
Note from asker:
Thanks
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+1
2 hrs

a change in classification

I assume they are referring to the "appellation d'origine contrôlée" and that the second list is of things that would mean it no longer applied. But all guesswork!
Peer comment(s):
agree Lorraine Dubuc : This is the only thing that makes sense but on another level. For example a 2-year or a 3-year but whithin the given conditions?
2 hrs
Thanks Lorraine
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5 hrs

amendment to the specification(s)

possibly:
Approving a minor amendment to the specification for a name entered in ... designations of origin and protected geographical indications [Queijo .... The minimum ripening time for 'Queijo Serra da Estrela' cheese is 30 days.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2...

EUR-Lex - - EN
eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX...EN:HTML‎
9 May 2013 - approving a minor amendment to the specification for a name entered in the ... The specification for the protected geographical indication "Pesca di ... During the phase in which the fruit reaches the size of a walnut, but not after the ... virtue of their firmness, their late ripening and the use of protective bags.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2...
Note from asker:
Thanks. I think this may be on the right track
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