Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

zone du croissant pauvre

English translation:

a crescent-shaped area with high levels of poverty

Added to glossary by B D Finch
Aug 16, 2015 12:00
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French term

zone du croissant pauvre

French to English Social Sciences Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
"une grande disparité socio-économique existe entre le nord et le sud de la région, et une zone du croissant pauvre"

Not sure whether this refers to a hard core of poverty or whether this is a geographically-bound poor area.

Any suggestions for a translation into English?

Thanks!
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Aug 25, 2015 09:50: B D Finch Created KOG entry

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a crescent-shaped area with high levels of poverty

This very much depends upon whether your text is about Brussels or another place with a similarly crescent-shaped, economically deprived area. If not, then it shouldn't really refer to "le croissant pauvre" in the source text and you should omit "crescent-shaped" in translation; however a translator's note would be a good idea.

http://www.ibsa.irisnet.be/glossaire#.VdCby5eGSik
" Croissant pauvre
Zone concentrant depuis plusieurs décennies les populations les moins favorisées sur le plan économique. Elle reprend les quartiers en première couronne nord et ouest, qui sont parmi les plus pauvres de la Région bruxelloise et qui forment un croissant autour du centre-ville. Les quartiers de cette zone sont :

* à l’intérieur du Pentagone, à l’ouest de la jonction nord-midi plus les Marolles;

* l’est d’Anderlecht et de Molenbeek-Saint-Jean (entre le chemin de fer et le canal);

* au nord, la commune de Saint-Josse, l’ouest de Schaerbeek et les zones industrielles le long du canal;

* au sud, le bas de Saint-Gilles et le bas de Forest."
Peer comment(s):

agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : Valid points.
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Thanks Nikki
agree Tony M
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Thanks Tony
agree philgoddard : AbrahamS' answer is more concise, but you were first with the idea.
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Thanks Phil. Whether or not one goes for concise depends upon the readership. However, the first mention could be long and subsequent mentions more concise.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, as it was about Brussels, I thought it important to speak about the shape of poverty distribution"
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the area with high concentration of poor people

'Zone du croissant pauvre' is an expression coined in Brussels, Belgium

Croissant pauvre

Zone concentrant depuis plusieurs décennies les populations les moins favorisées sur le plan économique. Elle reprend les quartiers en première couronne nord et ouest, qui sont parmi les plus pauvres de la Région bruxelloise et qui forment un croissant autour du centre-ville. Les quartiers de cette zone sont :

à l’intérieur du Pentagone, à l’ouest de la jonction nord-midi plus les Marolles;


l’est d’Anderlecht et de Molenbeek-Saint-Jean (entre le chemin de fer et le canal);


au nord, la commune de Saint-Josse, l’ouest de Schaerbeek et les zones industrielles le long du canal;


au sud, le bas de Saint-Gilles et le bas de Forest.

Peer comment(s):

agree Carol Gullidge : Well done, you seem to have hit the nail on the head with your definition of "croissant pauvre"
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Thanks, Carol!
agree Philippa Smith : or just "disavantaged area"
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Thanks, Pjhilippa!
neutral Nikki Scott-Despaigne : You forgot to cite your source, but I think this is it : http://www.ibsa.irisnet.be/glossaire#.VdCp5vntmko If actually about BSL, then the "crescent" shape needs to appear in the EN version.
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agree Wendy Streitparth : With Philippa
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crescent of poverty/poverty crescent

Both versions of the expression are used not only for Brussels (see ref.1 p.4 & ref.2 p.8), but also for similar-shaped zones around some US cities (Rochester, Charlotte, Austin), around other cities such as Lima, or bigger regions in the world. Besides, both versions seem to me pretty self-explanatory (in their nature if not their location).
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Official report

"Croissant pauvre" used 12 times in this BE document about BSL.

http://www.observatbru.be/documents/graphics/dossiers/dossie...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2015-08-16 15:35:25 GMT)
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Dated 2002.
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