Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
Gemelas
English translation:
doubles or twins
Added to glossary by
Charles Davis
Aug 23, 2015 06:30
8 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Spain
Gemelas
Spanish to English
Tech/Engineering
Food & Drink
confectionery and snack manufacture
Gemelas y otras variedades:
Complicated. This term appears in a glossary. There is only the general context to go on. Other entries in this section include Restos de piel: Partículas y polvo: Pinchados: Manchas: Podrido y defectuosas:
I am assuming that this is connected with potatoes (the company makes a lot of crisps) but the glossary not yet fully organised, so it could be from another area (sweets, nuts, gum, etc.)
Thanks for any ideas
Complicated. This term appears in a glossary. There is only the general context to go on. Other entries in this section include Restos de piel: Partículas y polvo: Pinchados: Manchas: Podrido y defectuosas:
I am assuming that this is connected with potatoes (the company makes a lot of crisps) but the glossary not yet fully organised, so it could be from another area (sweets, nuts, gum, etc.)
Thanks for any ideas
Proposed translations
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Charles Davis
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Aug 28, 2015 05:25: Charles Davis Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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doubles or twins
I think this probably refers to almonds. It must be something feminine. It's a phenomenon that particular affects almonds.
See here, for example: "porcentaje de gemelas 25-35%", referring to almonds:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=Glts8S4zuWAC&pg=PA774&lpg=P...
More to the point, perhaps, here's a Spanish Ministry of Agricultura order on almonds; see the Anexo on p. 2, with sections on "Pinchados", "Gemelas y mezclas de otras calidades", "Polvo", etc.:
https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/1988/08/03/pdfs/A23970-23972.pdf
And here, in English, is a reference to USDA tolerance levels for almonds, with figures for "Dissimilar varieties", "Doubles", and "Dust and particles", among other things:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=rPjKBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA786&lpg=P...
Strictly speaking doubles and twins are different, but in Spanish they seem to be lumped together and I think this is referring to both:
"La semilla generalmente es única, pero en algunas variedades se produce una doble semilla (almendras dobles o gemelas), lo que se considera un defecto comercial."
http://www1.etsia.upm.es/departamentos/botanica/fichasplanta...
"Double kernels occur when two seeds are present within the nut [...] Twin kernels result when two (or more) embryos develop within a single seed coat (pellicle)."
https://books.google.fr/books?id=Yx4NdTMslNYC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA...
""Almond kernels" or "Almonds" and additional specifications when appropriate (assorted, mixed, without doubles, without twins, with doubles, with twins etc), the crop year is optional"
http://www.cbi.eu/sites/default/files/study/product-factshee...
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But "doubles" is much more common and if you want just one word I think that's the one to use.
See here, for example: "porcentaje de gemelas 25-35%", referring to almonds:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=Glts8S4zuWAC&pg=PA774&lpg=P...
More to the point, perhaps, here's a Spanish Ministry of Agricultura order on almonds; see the Anexo on p. 2, with sections on "Pinchados", "Gemelas y mezclas de otras calidades", "Polvo", etc.:
https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/1988/08/03/pdfs/A23970-23972.pdf
And here, in English, is a reference to USDA tolerance levels for almonds, with figures for "Dissimilar varieties", "Doubles", and "Dust and particles", among other things:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=rPjKBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA786&lpg=P...
Strictly speaking doubles and twins are different, but in Spanish they seem to be lumped together and I think this is referring to both:
"La semilla generalmente es única, pero en algunas variedades se produce una doble semilla (almendras dobles o gemelas), lo que se considera un defecto comercial."
http://www1.etsia.upm.es/departamentos/botanica/fichasplanta...
"Double kernels occur when two seeds are present within the nut [...] Twin kernels result when two (or more) embryos develop within a single seed coat (pellicle)."
https://books.google.fr/books?id=Yx4NdTMslNYC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA...
""Almond kernels" or "Almonds" and additional specifications when appropriate (assorted, mixed, without doubles, without twins, with doubles, with twins etc), the crop year is optional"
http://www.cbi.eu/sites/default/files/study/product-factshee...
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But "doubles" is much more common and if you want just one word I think that's the one to use.
Peer comment(s):
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Maria-Fernanda Escudero
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Thanks, Maria-Fernanda :)
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Elizabeth Joy Pitt de Morales
: Doubles. Pic: http://www.canstockphoto.com/two-double-almonds-over-more-78...
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Nice! Thanks, Liz :)
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duplicates
Unless it means "cufflinks", which is unlikely, or "twins", ditto, this could be a candidate...
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Possibly referring to two items stuck together, like conjoined twins...?
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http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/gemela
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I'm thinking conjoined jelly babies...
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Possibly referring to two items stuck together, like conjoined twins...?
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http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/gemela
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I'm thinking conjoined jelly babies...
Reference comments
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Helena Chavarria
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Works in field
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Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English
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Reference:
Características Comerciales
Origen: Variedad Obtenida en el INRA francés por cruzamiento `Aï´ x `Cristomorto´. Variedad protegida.
Forma de la almendra: amigdaloide largo
Tamaño del grano: grande
Rendimiento al descascarado: 33%-37%
Consistencia de la cáscara: semi-dura
Porcentaje de pepitas dobles: sin gemelas
Aspecto del grano: atractivo.
Sabor: agradable
http://www.descalmendra.com/es/almendra-variedades.aspx
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=twin fruit&biw=1366&bih=66...
¿QUÉ HACE QUE HAYA FRUTAS GEMELAS?
Cuando en una misma flor se desarrollan dos carpelos
http://www.quo.es/naturaleza/que-hace-que-haya-frutas-gemela...
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Another kind of problem occurs when pieces are too close to each other when entering the coating section, resulting in the pieces to become attached with the coating. These pieces are called as “twins”.
http://www.earnproject.eu/projects/JAMK_Project_example_Pand...
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Page 4
- Living pests are inadmissible in any class.
- When the marking indicates “without doubles” or “without twins”, these tolerances shall be reduced to 1 percent, for Extra Class and 3 per cent for Class I and Class II.
- In Class II, when the marking indicates “with doubles” or “with twins”, no limit of doubles or twins is applied.
http://www.nutfruit.org/standard-12_4603.pdf
Origen: Variedad Obtenida en el INRA francés por cruzamiento `Aï´ x `Cristomorto´. Variedad protegida.
Forma de la almendra: amigdaloide largo
Tamaño del grano: grande
Rendimiento al descascarado: 33%-37%
Consistencia de la cáscara: semi-dura
Porcentaje de pepitas dobles: sin gemelas
Aspecto del grano: atractivo.
Sabor: agradable
http://www.descalmendra.com/es/almendra-variedades.aspx
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=twin fruit&biw=1366&bih=66...
¿QUÉ HACE QUE HAYA FRUTAS GEMELAS?
Cuando en una misma flor se desarrollan dos carpelos
http://www.quo.es/naturaleza/que-hace-que-haya-frutas-gemela...
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Another kind of problem occurs when pieces are too close to each other when entering the coating section, resulting in the pieces to become attached with the coating. These pieces are called as “twins”.
http://www.earnproject.eu/projects/JAMK_Project_example_Pand...
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Page 4
- Living pests are inadmissible in any class.
- When the marking indicates “without doubles” or “without twins”, these tolerances shall be reduced to 1 percent, for Extra Class and 3 per cent for Class I and Class II.
- In Class II, when the marking indicates “with doubles” or “with twins”, no limit of doubles or twins is applied.
http://www.nutfruit.org/standard-12_4603.pdf
Discussion
As I have already said in my answer, we can't be sure that this refers to almonds but I think it's highly likely that it does. I had no joy at all with "gemelas" in relation to potatoes. If it's not almonds it's probably some other sort of nut, and the same vocabulary almost certainly applies.
Anyway, I think the point here is that there are two different phenomena, which are analogous to identical and non-identical twins. There can be two seeds (doubles) or two embryos within a single seed coat (twins). But these are normally lumped together. In Spanish, the word "gemelas" is normally used for both:
"Gemelas: Almendas dobles propias de algunas variedades"
http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/agriculturaypesca/observatori... (p. 3, near foot)
In the UNECE standard doc that Helena has already cited, "doubles or twins" are lumped together in the glossary. If you look for both you'll see that "doubles" is more commoly used in English than "twins". But I stand by my answer, which was "doubles or twins". Either term could be used, I think.
Or it does refer to almonds but only the 'twins' affect production.
Page 10:
Double or Twin: almond kernel of characteristic shape, with one side flat or concave, as a consequence of the development of two kernels in the same shell.
http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trade/agr/standard/dry/St...