Sep 11, 2015 06:52
8 yrs ago
English term

dispensed for

English to French Art/Literary Photography/Imaging (& Graphic Arts) Présentation d\'une expo
How is a country’s national story told through its architecture? When should the structures of the past *be dispensed for* the future? XX is the first solo exhibition in North America by the artist YY, whose photographs survey relics of the built environment, from the ruins of colonial-era monuments to the futurist symbols of the cosmopolitan city.

Does it simply mean being "reused"? I have a slight doubt.

Discussion

Anne-Laure Martin (asker) Sep 12, 2015:
Of course I did not mean the contrary. In this original meaning actually the suggestion of Petitavoine fits pretty well. For some reason, I was not 100% sure and was wondering how clear it was to other people at first glance.
Daryo Sep 12, 2015:
the title for this exhibition was not chosen randomly, so all the ideas associated with "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there." ARE part of the general context helping to understand this sentence, more precisely to understand what "dispense" could mean.

Be it colonial architecture shown on photos by François-Xavier Gbré or the childhood of Leo Colston, both are in the past i.e. the main point is about how we relate to the past, and I don't see any clues that "the past should be demolished/forgotten" (= dispensed with)
Anne-Laure Martin (asker) Sep 12, 2015:
Hi Daryo,

firstly, I reduced the context because I needed an input from other translators on whether this sentence itself had a clear meaning or if it raised doubts. Apparently it raises more doubt than clarity.

Secondly, refering to the "past", it is about architecture and also more precisely colonial architecture, not about the childhood of the artist primarily.

Thank you for your input though.
Daryo Sep 12, 2015:
in "to dispense the structures of the past for the future" dispense is used in a similar way as in "to dispense your wisdom to s.o." IOW the idea is to give/to make available to present/future generations information about the past (in the form of information about past structures).

Giving it that sense makes sense, i.e. it makes sense to make an exhibition about something to be passed on to next generations, not about something that should be thrown on the scrap-heap of history and forgotten, and there is no more any need to assume any typo.
Daryo Sep 11, 2015:
"When should the structures of the past be erased" doesn't make much sense - why make an exhibition about something that should be demolished or forgotten? Also it doesn't agree with "dispensing s.t. to s.o." - and I don't think there is any need to presume a missing "with" as in "dispensing with". I does make sense as it is.

Also, giving the title of this exhibition would have made things clearer.
Anne-Laure Martin (asker) Sep 11, 2015:
Actually I understand "When should the structures of the past be erased..."-

Proposed translations

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disposé de (pour) - ici

une proposition qui s'écarte de l'original, mais que vous pourriez soumettre à votre client, peut-être, car comme l'original en anglais, cela resterait un peu flou -> Quand disposer des structures du passé pour l'avenir ?

Avec 'disposer de', on ouvre les portes à plusieurs interprétations tout en gardant le préfixe dis- indiquant le changement.
(J'ai lu que ce photographe avait grandi dans le nord de la France où il a pu, par exemple, observer les usines textile laissées à l'abandon, tout d'abord, et ensuite pour certaines reconverties en lofts.)

silapedagogie.weebly.com/antoine-de-la-garanderie....
On ne dispose du passé que si on prend soin de l'inscrire dans l'avenir. Avoir besoin de se souvenir est nécessaire, il faut que l'on en ait un profit.

http://bbf.enssib.fr/consulter/bbf-1995-02-0008-001
L'encyclopédisme, c'est d'abord cette liberté de pouvoir disposer du passé, l'
oublier ou le réactiver autant que de besoin, au risque sinon d'osciller entre le
vide ...


- disposer de =
1.− Avoir à son usage, tenir en sa possession de manière à s'en servir librement. Tous les moyens dont un gouvernement dispose...

Disposer du passé médical de l'enfant et de son « contexte santé », est
indispensable pour ajuster un diagnostic.

-2 disposer de = en faire ce que l'on veut
Disposer du sort, de la vie de qqn

Big Brother voit tout, sait tout, dispose du passé et du futur de chacun

http://www.erudit.org/revue/vi/2012/v37/n2/1008578ar.pdf
Reste à disposer du passé, dont il s'agit de faire table rase. Tel sera le propos de
la deuxième journée, qui se déroule au couvent de Québec,



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Pour aller dans le sens de Daryo, on a bien parfois dispenser = to dispense, dans le genre "dispenser les structures du passé aux générations futures"
(que l'on voit surtout maintenant sous la forme 'dispenser un cours').

B.− Dispenser qqc. à qqn
1. Distribuer (avec une idée de largesse, de générosité). Dispenser libéralement tout son temps à qqn; dispenser des trésors d'affection à un enfant; le sommeil qui dispense les bienfaits de l'oubli. Synon. répandre, prodiguer.L'heure de la récréation du soir, passée tout entière à l'avare lumière du préau dispensée par un unique bec de gaz (Bernanos, Mouchette,1937, p. 1268):
5. ... je passe ma vie au milieu des architectes tunisiens et des artisans indigènes; je les vois distribuer partout l'air et la lumière dans les maisons, avec cette même habileté qu'ils déploient à dispenser l'eau dans les rigoles des jardins,... Tharaud, La Fête arabe,1912, p. 82.
6. Elle [Mmed'Amoncourt] avait maintenant une situation à n'avoir pas à dispenser d'autres grâces que celles que sa présence répandait. Proust, Sodome et Gomorrhe,1922, p. 667.

SYNT. Platanes qui dispensent une ombre remarquable; ruisseau dispensant le soir une fraîcheur dangereuse; yeux qui dispensent le bonheur et la tristesse; la sérénité que dispense la mort; fleurs qui dispensent leurs parfums; dispenser avec impartialité le blâme et la louange; dispenser la vie aux générations nouvelles; dispenser un enseignement à des étudiants.
− Au part. passé. Rayonnement, chaleur dispensés par une présence.
2. Emploi pronom. passif. Être donné. Cet enseignement se dispense aux seuls spécialistes; les honneurs se dispensent qqf. au hasard. Mais donnons d'abord notre attention à l'éducation organisée, celle qui se dispense dogmatiquement dans les écoles (Valéry, Variété III,1936, p. 270).

Rem. 1. On rencontre ds les principaux dict. du xixes. le sens spéc. en pharm. de « doser ». Dispenser les médicaments (cf. dispensaire, dispensation) déjà indiqué comme ,,vx`` par Littré.
Note from asker:
L'utilisation de la voix passive renforce mes doutes quant à l'utilisation de disposer ici. J'ai par ailleurs fait une proposition à ma cliente, en indiquant mon incertitude. Merci pour vos recherches.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Je vais proposer cette alternative. Merci!"
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quand faut-il se passer des structures du passé

I feel as if what is meant is "dispensed with" - the sentence as such is not correct - you can't "dispense architecture" or "dispense buildings".

But buildings can very well "be dispensed with" (pulled down) particularly in the context of colonization in Africa, if it is felt that they do not represent the history or the "soul" of the country...
Note from asker:
J'ai eu peur à un moment de faire un mélange malheureux avec "dispenser" en français dans le sens de "se libérer de qq chose". Pour moi c'est ce sens là effectivement.
Mais ce n'est pas non plus "démoli" au sens concret, il y a un beau flou tout de même.
Peer comment(s):

agree willy paul
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merci!
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quand peut-on faire fi des structures du passé....

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Note from asker:
Faire fi c'est peut-être surtraduit pour le coup. Merci Gilles!
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Reference comments

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Reference:

The Past is a Foreign Country

Exhibits & Programs
The Past is a Foreign Country
August 28—October 9, 2015

How is a country’s national story told through its architecture? When should the structures of the past be dispensed for the future?

The Past is a Foreign Country is the first solo exhibition in North America by the Ivorian artist François-Xavier Gbré, whose photographs survey relics of the built environment, from the ruins of colonial-era monuments to the futurist symbols of the cosmopolitan city. The exhibition features site-specific installations of immersive wallpaper prints and a chronicle of more than fifty buildings and civic structures throughout West Africa and France. United by a methodical, often distanced perspective on architecture and landscape as a form of documentary evidence, Gbré’s images summon the personal experience of public space and the social aspirations encoded in concrete, rebar, clay, and dust.

Presented by the John B. Hurford ’60 Center for the Arts and Humanities and the Tuttle Creative Residencies Program.

https://www.haverford.edu/hcah/exhibitions-program/exhibits-...

The Go-Between is a novel by L. P. Hartley published in 1953. The novel begins with the line "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there."
...
Plot summary
The story begins with the reminiscences of Leo Colston, an elderly man looking back on his childhood with nostalgia. Leo, in his mid-sixties, is looking through his old things. He chances upon a battered old red collar box. In it he finds a diary from 1900, the year of his thirteenth birthday. He slowly pieces together his memory as he looks through the diary.
...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Go-Between



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... looking back on his childhood with nostalgia ... = demolish it / forget about it ??

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http://the-history-girls.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/sue-purkiss-...
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