Jul 10, 2018 17:47
5 yrs ago
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German term
hoch ergiebig
German to English
Tech/Engineering
Food & Drink
label on raspberry aroma
from label on Raspberry Aroma
Hoch ergiebig
I know what´s meant but can´t think of the exact phrase, too tired today
Hoch ergiebig
I know what´s meant but can´t think of the exact phrase, too tired today
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +5 | highly concentrated |
Björn Vrooman
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| 3 +1 | (very) economical in use |
Johanna Timm, PhD
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References
| economical to use |
writeaway
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| Ergiebigkeit |
Herbmione Granger
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Change log
Jul 16, 2018 13:01: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Other" to "Tech/Engineering"
Proposed translations
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highly concentrated
"Spice Drops® offer you the ability to bring any food and drink to life with authentic flavours in a way that’s both quick and convenient . As they are highly concentrated, a little drop goes a long way!"
http://holylama.co.uk/spicedrops/
"ProGel® food colours by Rainbow Dust are highly concentrated so only the smallest amount of ProGel® is required to give a deep rich colour to your creations."
https://www.surbitonart.co.uk/edibles/edible-colours-and-fla...
"Since oils are so concentrated, you’ll use smaller amounts."
https://www.americanspice.com/flavorings-and-extracts/
"LorAnn Gourmet Oils
are highly concentrated and unsweetened and will add that delightful flavor
that makes any candy, chocolate or baked treat absolutely irresistible.
A tiny amount is all that's needed. 5 drops will flavor a whole pound of chocolate!"
https://www.candylandcrafts.com/Oils_Flavorings.htm
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Note added at 19 hrs (2018-07-11 13:20:47 GMT)
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OK, it seems I need to add a couple of points.
First, you’ll notice that it says “hoch ergiebig,” not “sehr ergiebig.” The latter is much more common. It’s reasonable to assume that whoever wrote this was thinking of “hoch konzentriert.” Also, I’d be wary of equating “ergiebig” with “economical to use.” For example:
“Leichte Handhabung und mit 300 Tropfen hoch ergiebig”
https://www.vitalsana.com/bilder/upload/magazines/pdf/2015/0...
That’s highly concentrated—unless you want to tell me, “You need only 300 drops each time!”
Second, tropsehni said “from label.” Here are three American companies and their bottles:
https://flavorconcentrates.com/natural-flavor-concentrates/1...
https://www.amazon.com/Lorann-Oils-Fruit-Flavor-Pack/dp/B00V...
https://www.amazon.com/Flavor-Xtend-Natural-Flavoring-Concen...
None of these put “economical to use” on the label. It’s “highly concentrated.”
Three ENS companies offering similar products:
https://www.blackpoolrockandnoveltiesltd.com/food-flavouring...
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180419006064/en/Fla...™-Introduces-Alcohol-Free
https://www.majorint.com/flavour-portfolio/stock-base-powder...
Same result: “highly concentrated.” The other phrase is not found on those pages.
Third, yes, here is Watkins:
“These fat-free liquid extracts are economical to use as they are concentrated…”
http://www.associatemelody.com/watkins-products/extracts-fla...
Even if I were to accept that economical to use is the same as ergiebig in this context, “hoch” would be missing from the translation. Now, “highly concentrated” is two words at a total of 19 characters, including the space. The phrase “economical to use” is three words, has as many as 17 characters and you need to add a fourth word and definitely more than 2 characters. I don’t like wasting space and ink.
By the way, Watkins says “extra rich”: https://www.amazon.com/Watkins-Original-Gourmet-Vanilla-Pack...
http://holylama.co.uk/spicedrops/
"ProGel® food colours by Rainbow Dust are highly concentrated so only the smallest amount of ProGel® is required to give a deep rich colour to your creations."
https://www.surbitonart.co.uk/edibles/edible-colours-and-fla...
"Since oils are so concentrated, you’ll use smaller amounts."
https://www.americanspice.com/flavorings-and-extracts/
"LorAnn Gourmet Oils
are highly concentrated and unsweetened and will add that delightful flavor
that makes any candy, chocolate or baked treat absolutely irresistible.
A tiny amount is all that's needed. 5 drops will flavor a whole pound of chocolate!"
https://www.candylandcrafts.com/Oils_Flavorings.htm
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Note added at 19 hrs (2018-07-11 13:20:47 GMT)
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OK, it seems I need to add a couple of points.
First, you’ll notice that it says “hoch ergiebig,” not “sehr ergiebig.” The latter is much more common. It’s reasonable to assume that whoever wrote this was thinking of “hoch konzentriert.” Also, I’d be wary of equating “ergiebig” with “economical to use.” For example:
“Leichte Handhabung und mit 300 Tropfen hoch ergiebig”
https://www.vitalsana.com/bilder/upload/magazines/pdf/2015/0...
That’s highly concentrated—unless you want to tell me, “You need only 300 drops each time!”
Second, tropsehni said “from label.” Here are three American companies and their bottles:
https://flavorconcentrates.com/natural-flavor-concentrates/1...
https://www.amazon.com/Lorann-Oils-Fruit-Flavor-Pack/dp/B00V...
https://www.amazon.com/Flavor-Xtend-Natural-Flavoring-Concen...
None of these put “economical to use” on the label. It’s “highly concentrated.”
Three ENS companies offering similar products:
https://www.blackpoolrockandnoveltiesltd.com/food-flavouring...
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180419006064/en/Fla...™-Introduces-Alcohol-Free
https://www.majorint.com/flavour-portfolio/stock-base-powder...
Same result: “highly concentrated.” The other phrase is not found on those pages.
Third, yes, here is Watkins:
“These fat-free liquid extracts are economical to use as they are concentrated…”
http://www.associatemelody.com/watkins-products/extracts-fla...
Even if I were to accept that economical to use is the same as ergiebig in this context, “hoch” would be missing from the translation. Now, “highly concentrated” is two words at a total of 19 characters, including the space. The phrase “economical to use” is three words, has as many as 17 characters and you need to add a fourth word and definitely more than 2 characters. I don’t like wasting space and ink.
By the way, Watkins says “extra rich”: https://www.amazon.com/Watkins-Original-Gourmet-Vanilla-Pack...
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Ramey Rieger (X)
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Same to you!
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Sebastian Tredinnick
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Thank you, Sebastian.
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Lancashireman
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Thank you. Looking forward to an EN-FR match in a few days. In the meantime, I'll be trying out some economical spices but have only gotten my heater to work so far: http://www.bio-blocks.com/FAQ/why-are-bio-blocks®-so-economical-use-home-heating
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franglish
: Thanks Björn, I did. Went to see part 2 of the Gurlitt bequest to our Kunstmuseum. Superb!
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Thank you, franglish. I hope you enjoy your day. // Intriguing! Have family in CH; should go to Bern(e) next time. I do like paintings. BTW, is Bern or Berne preferred these days?
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writeaway
: the term actually asked in hoch ergiebig. Imo this is drawing conclusions (aka over-translating). It probably is 'hoch ergiebig' because it's highly concentrated
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I don't agree that this is overtranslation (and I'm one of the first to point that out, usually); in fact, show me the bottle that says "economical to use." I'll add a note later.
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gangels (X)
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Thank you, gangels.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "first thanks to all who replied and the thorough research you provided me with. I really appreciate it. Both suggestions are correct technically, I think, but as some of you pointed out, I haven´t seen "economical to use" on a label. Highly concentrated seems to fit the context best.THANKS ONCE MORE
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11 mins
Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Canada
Native in German
Canada
Friendly, fast & certified!
Native in: German (Variants: Swiss, Platt / Nieder (Low German), Austrian, Germany) 
Works in: English to German, German to English, German
Related KudoZ points
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54
(very) economical in use
meaning: "a little goes a long way"
51219. Raspberry Colour/Flavour. 1kg. Liquid Raspberry Flavouring with Colour. Heat stable for use ..... Economical in use
www.bakonw.co.uk/downloads/product-lists/Bako_North_Western...
51219. Raspberry Colour/Flavour. 1kg. Liquid Raspberry Flavouring with Colour. Heat stable for use ..... Economical in use
www.bakonw.co.uk/downloads/product-lists/Bako_North_Western...
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: economical to use because it's highly concentrated. ergiebig =economical to use/little goes a long way
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yes, that exactly was my thought process :-)
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Reference comments
17 hrs
Reference:
economical to use
Private Brand Manufacturer Educational Cleaning Supplies 404 The ...
carrollco.com › Industries
Results 61 - 120 of 120 - Product is buffered to achieve optimal bleach performance. Safe on all ... Cuts Grease * Gentle on Hands * Economical to Use. Premium
Products - Odor control and Odor management Benzaco Scientific
benzaco.com/products/
The effectiveness of any odor control product is directly dependent on how well the oils are chosen and ... They are concentrated and very economical to use.
Watkins Extracts and Flavorings - Independent Watkins Associate ...
www.everydaynecessities.com/extracts-flavorings.htm
These extracts and liquid flavorings are economical to use and add a full, rich flavor to a variety of foods, not just baked goods. Use for ice cream, syrup, frostings ...
5 Gal Drum Bulk Maple Syrup | Vermont Trade Winds Farm
https://www.vermonttradewinds.com/product/MSB-5GBLU
This product has been discontinued. We recommend our Gallon Box item instead. 100% Pure Vermont Maple Syrup, Very Dark Strong Taste. ... but because of the stronger maple flavor it is more economical to use since you need to use less.
Fruit sprinkles, prospona - Prospona - Fruit inspirations
prospona.co.uk/products,catering:fruit-sprinkles
Due to their exceptional lightness, they are economical to use – go a long way and are easy to spread on the product being decorated. They do not stain ...
carrollco.com › Industries
Results 61 - 120 of 120 - Product is buffered to achieve optimal bleach performance. Safe on all ... Cuts Grease * Gentle on Hands * Economical to Use. Premium
Products - Odor control and Odor management Benzaco Scientific
benzaco.com/products/
The effectiveness of any odor control product is directly dependent on how well the oils are chosen and ... They are concentrated and very economical to use.
Watkins Extracts and Flavorings - Independent Watkins Associate ...
www.everydaynecessities.com/extracts-flavorings.htm
These extracts and liquid flavorings are economical to use and add a full, rich flavor to a variety of foods, not just baked goods. Use for ice cream, syrup, frostings ...
5 Gal Drum Bulk Maple Syrup | Vermont Trade Winds Farm
https://www.vermonttradewinds.com/product/MSB-5GBLU
This product has been discontinued. We recommend our Gallon Box item instead. 100% Pure Vermont Maple Syrup, Very Dark Strong Taste. ... but because of the stronger maple flavor it is more economical to use since you need to use less.
Fruit sprinkles, prospona - Prospona - Fruit inspirations
prospona.co.uk/products,catering:fruit-sprinkles
Due to their exceptional lightness, they are economical to use – go a long way and are easy to spread on the product being decorated. They do not stain ...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Wendy Streitparth
: Convincing references!
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Johanna Timm, PhD
: thanks!
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1 day 14 hrs
Herbmione Granger
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
An American scholar based in Germany
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
Works in: French to English, German to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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Reference:
Ergiebigkeit
https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ergiebigkeit
[2] Verhältnis zwischen Aufwand und Ergebnis bei der Anwendung eines Stoffes
[2] „Als Orientierungshilfe für den umweltbewussten Einkauf von Waschmitteln sollten Sie sich die Angaben zur Ergiebigkeit ansehen, die auf der Verpackung aufgedruckt sind. Produkte mit hoher Ergiebigkeit erfordern nur eine geringe Dosierung pro Waschgang (um 100 ml oder weniger).“
https://dein-test-vergleich.de/test/waschmittel-testsieger
Hochergiebig - Für 37 (UltraPhase 1) bzw. 50 (UltraPhase 2) Waschladungen
http://www.dell.com/downloads/emea/products/printer/3000_310...
Dell 3100cn-Tonerkartuschen sind für 2.000 Seiten (Standard) oder hochergiebig für 4.000 Seiten (Cyan, Magenta und Gelb) sowie für 4.000 Seiten (Schwarz) erhältlich
https://nakilep.com/100g-mentholkristalle-saunakristalle-aus...
Wir empfehlen eine äußerst sparsame und vorsichtige Dosierung, da das Produkt sehr ergiebig ist und eine Überdosierung zu Reizungen der Schleimhäute führen kann. Lebensmittelqualität. Sparsam dosieren, Produkt ist hochergiebig! Von Kindern fernhalten! Mentholkristalle. Sie erhalten die kristalle in unterschiedlichen Verpackungseinheiten zwischen 25g und 100g.
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Note added at 1 day 14 hrs (2018-07-12 08:04:17 GMT)
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https://www.test-und-sieger.de/flavour-drops/
Liquid Flavour Drops sind Made in Germany - hochergiebig in der 50ml Flasche
Taken from someone's online review for conditioner:
"Many uses in one bottle... A bottle this size usually lasts me about 6 months, give or take, and I use it almost everyday."
[2] Verhältnis zwischen Aufwand und Ergebnis bei der Anwendung eines Stoffes
[2] „Als Orientierungshilfe für den umweltbewussten Einkauf von Waschmitteln sollten Sie sich die Angaben zur Ergiebigkeit ansehen, die auf der Verpackung aufgedruckt sind. Produkte mit hoher Ergiebigkeit erfordern nur eine geringe Dosierung pro Waschgang (um 100 ml oder weniger).“
https://dein-test-vergleich.de/test/waschmittel-testsieger
Hochergiebig - Für 37 (UltraPhase 1) bzw. 50 (UltraPhase 2) Waschladungen
http://www.dell.com/downloads/emea/products/printer/3000_310...
Dell 3100cn-Tonerkartuschen sind für 2.000 Seiten (Standard) oder hochergiebig für 4.000 Seiten (Cyan, Magenta und Gelb) sowie für 4.000 Seiten (Schwarz) erhältlich
https://nakilep.com/100g-mentholkristalle-saunakristalle-aus...
Wir empfehlen eine äußerst sparsame und vorsichtige Dosierung, da das Produkt sehr ergiebig ist und eine Überdosierung zu Reizungen der Schleimhäute führen kann. Lebensmittelqualität. Sparsam dosieren, Produkt ist hochergiebig! Von Kindern fernhalten! Mentholkristalle. Sie erhalten die kristalle in unterschiedlichen Verpackungseinheiten zwischen 25g und 100g.
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Note added at 1 day 14 hrs (2018-07-12 08:04:17 GMT)
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https://www.test-und-sieger.de/flavour-drops/
Liquid Flavour Drops sind Made in Germany - hochergiebig in der 50ml Flasche
Taken from someone's online review for conditioner:
"Many uses in one bottle... A bottle this size usually lasts me about 6 months, give or take, and I use it almost everyday."
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Björn Vrooman
: Good examples. Was about to say, "Hope you're well," but saw this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/work/you-need-to-stop-writ... In any case, may you have a sunny day (dreary over here)./True--if not too heavy.
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It's all about your outlook. The rain is good for the garden.
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Discussion
"These fat-free liquid extracts are economical to use as they are concentrated..."
(see my answer)
"hoch ergiebig und wirtschaftlich im Verbrauch"
http://www.schwenk-putztechnik.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/quic...
Call it male intuition. I knew there was something not quite right with economical to use. It's the other side of the equation.
Duden, meaning no. 2:
"(als Ausgangsstoff o. Ä.) viel ergebend; gute Ausbeute bringend"
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/ergiebig
Regarding paint, ergiebig would be something like:
"You can wipe it, has high coverage (meaning less paint needed)"
http://www.kickscount.org.uk/baby-days-nursery-paint
When it comes to flavors, "(extra) rich," as I said when citing Watkins, could be a good option.
Best
Best wishes
http://holylama.co.uk/spicedrops/
"ProGel® food colours by Rainbow Dust are highly concentrated so only the smallest amount of ProGel® is required to give a deep rich colour to your creations."
https://www.surbitonart.co.uk/edibles/edible-colours-and-fla...
"Since oils are so concentrated, you’ll use smaller amounts."
https://www.americanspice.com/flavorings-and-extracts/
"LorAnn Gourmet Oils
are highly concentrated and unsweetened and will add that delightful flavor
that makes any candy, chocolate or baked treat absolutely irresistible.
A tiny amount is all that's needed. 5 drops will flavor a whole pound of chocolate!"
https://www.candylandcrafts.com/Oils_Flavorings.htm
https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/advice/bait/articles/fishing-...
https://flavorconcentrates.com/natural-flavor-concentrates