Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
Taux effectif global périodique indicatif
English translation:
indicative/approximate periodic percentage rate
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Scott de Lesseps
Jan 11, 2019 06:45
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French term
Taux effectif global périodique indicatif
French to English
Bus/Financial
Business/Commerce (general)
From a letter to a customer wanting to change the interest rate on their mortgage.
Taux effectif global
Le taux effectif global ci-aprés est calculé au taux en vigueur au 1er décembre 2016
- Taux annuel effectif global indicatif: 2.45%
- Taux effectif global périodique indicatif: 0.20%
I’m confident the first one in the list is “indicative annual percentage rate”.
Is the second one simply “periodic interest rate”, or are more words needed?
The target audience is US.
Thanks in advance.
Taux effectif global
Le taux effectif global ci-aprés est calculé au taux en vigueur au 1er décembre 2016
- Taux annuel effectif global indicatif: 2.45%
- Taux effectif global périodique indicatif: 0.20%
I’m confident the first one in the list is “indicative annual percentage rate”.
Is the second one simply “periodic interest rate”, or are more words needed?
The target audience is US.
Thanks in advance.
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approximate periodic percentage rate
indicatif is "approximate" in a context like this.
TEG / taux effectif global usually translates as APR / "annual percentage rate": it is used in the same "consumer protection" context.
Strictly speaking TEG should not be translated as "annual" anything as the frequency doesn't appear in the term. The more common and more recent term is TAEG, taux effectif annuel global, which is more helpful.
Here, the use of périodique indicates that frequencies other than but also including annual are involved.
I find this in a "Google Book" called "Calculs financiers et évaluations mathématiques en gestion de patrimoine": "Une fois le T.E.G. périodique trouvé on passe au T.E.G. annuel en multilpliant le T.E.G. périodique par le nombre de périodes contenues dans une année".
Dividing 2.45 by 0.20 gives 12.25. Dividing 2.45 by 12 gives 0.2041667.
They would appear to be rounding to the second decimal place. This is thus an approximate monthly percentage rate.
So why would they use périodique rather than mensuel? It appears that both this FR term and the translation I have given in EN are commonly used by professionals in the finance sector. I wonder whether the frequency of this "period" is mentioned somewhere else in your document.
Just googling a bit I found this, about US legislators being unhappy with the EN phrase being permitted when communicating with consumers:
"Representative Patman and ten other Congressmen, issued a Supplemental View which set forth their displeasure with the committee's amendment to the proposed bill which permitted certain open end creditors to express their charges to consumers in periodic percentage rate basis rather than on an annual basis ..."
Maybe they take a different view in France. Or maybe your document is quite an old one: as I say, TAEG is now more common.
As for global: this is the French being more precise that the UK legislator. The French term explicitly reflects the fact that to calculate the lending figure various charges (not just the interest) must be taken into account, such as administrative costs, commissions, insurance, etc. I don't know whether the UK consumer legislation also requires this when calculating APR, but I believe so.
TEG / taux effectif global usually translates as APR / "annual percentage rate": it is used in the same "consumer protection" context.
Strictly speaking TEG should not be translated as "annual" anything as the frequency doesn't appear in the term. The more common and more recent term is TAEG, taux effectif annuel global, which is more helpful.
Here, the use of périodique indicates that frequencies other than but also including annual are involved.
I find this in a "Google Book" called "Calculs financiers et évaluations mathématiques en gestion de patrimoine": "Une fois le T.E.G. périodique trouvé on passe au T.E.G. annuel en multilpliant le T.E.G. périodique par le nombre de périodes contenues dans une année".
Dividing 2.45 by 0.20 gives 12.25. Dividing 2.45 by 12 gives 0.2041667.
They would appear to be rounding to the second decimal place. This is thus an approximate monthly percentage rate.
So why would they use périodique rather than mensuel? It appears that both this FR term and the translation I have given in EN are commonly used by professionals in the finance sector. I wonder whether the frequency of this "period" is mentioned somewhere else in your document.
Just googling a bit I found this, about US legislators being unhappy with the EN phrase being permitted when communicating with consumers:
"Representative Patman and ten other Congressmen, issued a Supplemental View which set forth their displeasure with the committee's amendment to the proposed bill which permitted certain open end creditors to express their charges to consumers in periodic percentage rate basis rather than on an annual basis ..."
Maybe they take a different view in France. Or maybe your document is quite an old one: as I say, TAEG is now more common.
As for global: this is the French being more precise that the UK legislator. The French term explicitly reflects the fact that to calculate the lending figure various charges (not just the interest) must be taken into account, such as administrative costs, commissions, insurance, etc. I don't know whether the UK consumer legislation also requires this when calculating APR, but I believe so.
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Daryo
: with the translation, but your maths are flowed = you DON'T make a simple division by 12 to get the exact equivalent monthly rate - in a geometrical progression the logarithm of the annual rate is divided by 12 and then used as exponent.
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Francois Boye
: Asker said: From a letter to a customer wanting to change the interest rate on their mortgage.
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Comment: "Thanks to everyone. I decided to use "indicative" rather than "approximate"."
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effective periodic rate
This probably is enough verbiage. The source document deems it unnecessary to say what period but it looks like a month, given the numbers (245/12 = 20) and context.
I think the 2.45% and 0.20% both exceed the respective nominal rates and therefore should be expressly described as effective rates.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/periodic_interest_rate....
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Sorry, what I intended was that both the annual and the periodic be described as effective indicative rates. http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=29&ac=19&bb=file
I think the 2.45% and 0.20% both exceed the respective nominal rates and therefore should be expressly described as effective rates.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/periodic_interest_rate....
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-01-11 08:16:33 GMT)
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Sorry, what I intended was that both the annual and the periodic be described as effective indicative rates. http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=29&ac=19&bb=file
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Daryo
: what about "global"?
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Hi Daryo: the extra costs mentioned at the "compare" link are reflected in the indicative rate, so I think "global" adds nothing to "indicative." It's just part of the Fr. term for APR or indicative rate. fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taux_effectif_global
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Yvonne Gallagher
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Francois Boye
: What about the global aspect? The concept of periodic rate is not relevant to economics.
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periodic indicative, global effective annual interest rate
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Daryo
: an APR might be expressed in a similar way to the "interest" charged - as an annual rate, but it's NOT an "interest rate".
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Can you read? 'From a letter to a customer wanting to change the interest rate on their mortgage.'
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AllegroTrans
: Confusing array of adjectives, and "global" is a faux ami
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Regular overall mortgage rates
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Discussion
The whole point of forcing lenders to quote the APR is to prevent them from misleading customers by quoting in giga-sized print low interest rates, and then hide in the small print all sort of fees / annual charges.
"effective annual interest rate" "effective periodic interest rate"
https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&ei=nWo5XKm3AZWJjwS...
Overall effective annual interest rate
https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&ei=tWo5XLvzK-PCjwS...
Je n’ai obtenu aucun résultat précis pour "indicative overall/global..." ou "illustrative overall/global...", mais considérant ce que j’ai lu, j’aurais tendance à retenir "illustrative" pour une proposition de taux.
A quick calculation would confirm that if the compound annual rate is 2.45%, then the equivalent monthly rate (a.k.a "periodic" as the repayments are done periodically every month) would be 0.201909 % (a linear / non-coumpound rate would be 0.204166%)
Loans, interest and APR: how they work together
If you take out a loan, you’ll need to pay interest on it.
The interest charged depends on:
how much you want to borrow
how long you want to borrow the money for
your individual circumstances, including your credit score
For example, if you wanted to borrow £1,000 for one year and the interest rate was 5%, you’d have to pay back £50 in interest (5% of £1,000) plus the £1,000 you borrowed – a total of £1,050.
So far, so good, right? But interest isn’t the whole story when it comes to the cost of a loan. There are also possible fees and charges to consider.
APR stands for annual percentage rate. It’s what your borrowing will cost you each year, and includes interest as well as any other standard charges, such as arrangement or admin fees.
So, for example, while interest on a loan might be 5%, the APR might be 8% because it includes the other charges.
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https://www.comparethemarket.com/loans/information/what-does...
Hint: the "global" [as in "including everything"] bit that everyone seems cheerfully ignoring ...