Björn Vrooman Mar 30, 2019:

PS I don't really like "in absence of," so I didn't agree there.

Just remembered that SAP FI (like MS business software) uses the term local currency (as opposed to Fremdwährung): https://www.erpsuites.com/sap/currency-types-in-sap-fi

So, if you want to turn it around in some fashion, then why not start off by saying:
"Transactions/payments in local currency will..."

Cf
https://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/other/gep_f...
https://help.sap.com/doc/saphelp_sfin100/1.10/en-US/5c/f1c55...

Björn Vrooman Mar 29, 2019:

Michael To make it clear: I talked to a (very knowledgeable) family member on the phone and the sentence did not invite any confusion and it was immediately clear to the person I was talking to what this was about. So while the position of "die" may look odd to you, it apparently isn't. As Steffen pointed out, this is an ellipsis, which happens quite often in such cases. Heck, I used to work at IT companies; I should know myself how cryptic some of this can sound to those not in the know.

"On the other hand, it doesn't seem completely unheard of that amounts resulting from currency differences end up in a special account or cost center."

I'm not disputing that, but this is exactly the point! No one asked what happens with those payments that involve currency transactions. How do you know that particular point isn't being discussed like three sentences later or even prior to this statement?

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Michael Martin, MA Mar 29, 2019:

I still think this may be inconclusive. "Absence" seems correct on its face but that also hinges on the proper use of the preposition and requires us to assume the verb has been used as intended. The slightly irritating use and placement of "die" is not confidence-inspiring in that regard. On the other hand, it doesn't seem completely unheard of that amounts resulting from currency differences end up in a special account or cost center. See link below:
"Die Differenz kommt jeweils auf ein Konto Währungsdifferenzen" https://www.buhl.de/wiso-software/forum/index.php?thread/648...

Björn Vrooman Mar 29, 2019:

Ah, thanks. Also, it seems I have to post two disagreements at once.

Well, I'll try it this way @Michael:
Your answer has nada to do with the question. And as it was just explained to me on the phone, I don't think "fix kontiert" in your sentence is correct either. This all has little to do with what Gavin needs to express.

Still, enjoy your evening.

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Steffen Walter Mar 29, 2019:

Yes, seems like it We seem to have said/viewed the same thing in different words/from different angles. Any reference back to "Zahlungen" (which should actually be correct, I agree) would of course have to be expressed by "jene", strictly/formally speaking. The point I was trying to make was just that "die(se)" was used erroneously instead of "jene". Else, you'd have to spell out "die Zahlungen" in this position of the German sentence, in accordance with my initial "word missing" assumption.

Björn Vrooman Mar 29, 2019:

Hello Steffen Maybe we misunderstand each other?

What I meant was you can say: "Entfallen bei den Zahlungen Währungsdifferenzen, werden jene in der jeweiligen Gesellschaft fix auf eine Kostenstelle kontiert."

-> Zahlungen fix kontiert

Works fine. Just asked the banker in our family.

And the first answer is so wrong that I really wonder why no one has disagreed so far.

Best wishes

Steffen Walter Mar 29, 2019:

@Björn Regarding "diese", this is exactly why I've included "erroneously" in my comment. Happens all too often.

Björn Vrooman Mar 29, 2019:

Any reason... ...why Phil's answer hasn't attracted at least three disagreements by now?

Telling writeaway that the "reference says it can mean allotted, apportioned, or accounted for" is just digging yourself deeper into a hole. The dictionary meaning only applies if it's auf jdn./etw. entfallen--which is clearly not the case here.

I also don't agree, Steffen, that it should be diese. Diese, being the demonstrative pronoun it is, would refer to Währungsdifferenzen, as this is the plural noun closest to it. It should be "jene."

Best wishes

Michael Martin, MA Mar 29, 2019:

Should be 'diese' I agree.. but it's probably more common nowadays for people to pepper their written language with colloquialisms..

Steffen Walter Mar 29, 2019:

That's how ... ... it should normally be interpreted, Michael, but it might also (erroneously) refer back to "Zahlungen" (and it should be "diese" if we follow this line of thought).

Michael Martin, MA Mar 29, 2019:

die refers back to the preceding noun Währungsdifferenzen

Steffen Walter Mar 29, 2019:

There seems to be ... ... a word missing after "die" ("... werden die ??? in der jeweiligen Gesellschaft ...").