Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
Hors pouvoir
English translation:
unless holding a proxy
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Jan 8, 2020 15:03
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French term
Hors pouvoir
French to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Statuts
Bonjour à tous,
Je traduis les Statuts d'une association (loi 1901) dont l'un stipule la chose suivante:
"Les membres d'honneur font partie de Passemblee générale et disposent du droit de vote à hauteur d'une voix par membre, hors pouvoir.
Quelqu'un peut-il m'éclairer sur la signification de "hors pouvoir" dans ce contexte?
Merci par avance!
Philippe
Je traduis les Statuts d'une association (loi 1901) dont l'un stipule la chose suivante:
"Les membres d'honneur font partie de Passemblee générale et disposent du droit de vote à hauteur d'une voix par membre, hors pouvoir.
Quelqu'un peut-il m'éclairer sur la signification de "hors pouvoir" dans ce contexte?
Merci par avance!
Philippe
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +5 | unless holding a proxy | Adrian MM. |
5 +3 | not counting proxies/not counting proxy votes | Eliza Hall |
Proposed translations
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unless holding a proxy
Proxy - including weighted /double - votes would be added to the single vote, should a proxy or 'power' be held.
Example sentence:
Bushell v Faith [1970] AC 1099 is a UK company law case, concerning the possibility of weighting votes, and the relationship to section 184 of Companies Act
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not counting proxies/not counting proxy votes
It means that each member gets one vote on matters put to the vote at general meetings, not counting any proxy votes that the member may also be casting at the same general meeting.
At this link you'll see a set of nonprofit/association statuts/corporate articles that have identical language, and also explain further how this works: http://www.arpege27.fr/l-association/statuts/
Toward the bottom of Article 8 of those statuts, it says:
"Chaque membre de l’association ne dispose que d’une seule voix lors d’un vote, hors pouvoir....
Chaque membre peut détenir un maximum de 3 pouvoirs. Un pouvoir n’est valable que sur présentation, au moment du vote, d’un document signé par le délégataire mentionnant son nom et le nom de la personne à qui le pouvoir est délégué. Un pouvoir n’est valable que pour l’assemblée générale (ordinaire, extraordinaire) pour laquelle il a été émis."
So for that association, each member gets one vote for themselves on general meeting matters, and may also cast up to three proxy votes at the same general meeting.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2020-01-08 21:29:30 GMT)
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PS to clarify. The point is that any proxy votes that a member may be casting are not counted towards the 1 vote that the member gets to cast on their own behalf.
At this link you'll see a set of nonprofit/association statuts/corporate articles that have identical language, and also explain further how this works: http://www.arpege27.fr/l-association/statuts/
Toward the bottom of Article 8 of those statuts, it says:
"Chaque membre de l’association ne dispose que d’une seule voix lors d’un vote, hors pouvoir....
Chaque membre peut détenir un maximum de 3 pouvoirs. Un pouvoir n’est valable que sur présentation, au moment du vote, d’un document signé par le délégataire mentionnant son nom et le nom de la personne à qui le pouvoir est délégué. Un pouvoir n’est valable que pour l’assemblée générale (ordinaire, extraordinaire) pour laquelle il a été émis."
So for that association, each member gets one vote for themselves on general meeting matters, and may also cast up to three proxy votes at the same general meeting.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2020-01-08 21:29:30 GMT)
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PS to clarify. The point is that any proxy votes that a member may be casting are not counted towards the 1 vote that the member gets to cast on their own behalf.
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: Another way of saying it but Adrian's answer is OK too; I think your version is slightly clearer
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Merci.
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Cyril Tollari
: Clearer
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Merci
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agree |
Gina W
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Merci.
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Adrian MM.
: not entirely accurate; a proxy or power may grant a right to speak - but not vote - at a meeting or ballot only.//No such criticism, though a proxy is ambiguous - also in the US - for a form or the agent. That's why power is often used in the UK instead.
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Hahaha! You're criticizing me for using "proxy" when you used the same word in your translation?!
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