Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
chemin de croix
English translation:
definition of work package boundaries
Added to glossary by
Tony M
Jul 10, 2020 18:04
3 yrs ago
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French term
Bulgaria
The original in all but the language
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, Bulgarian to English, Esperanto to English, and 1 more.
chemin de croix
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Electronics / Elect Eng
Electrical cabinets
From a list of documents to be provided to assist suppliers of electrical cabinets:
Désignation
1 CAHIER DES CHARGES ARMOIRE ELECTRIQUE - SPECIFICATIONS GENERALES
1 CAHIER DES CHARGES ARMOIRE ELECTRIQUE - SPECIFICATIONS PARTICULIERES
1 CONTRAT DE SOUS-TRAITANCE
1 CONFIGURATION AUTOMATE
1 **CHEMIN DE CROIX**
1 NOMENCLATURE DES EQUIPEMENTS (AVEC REFERENCES)
Désignation
1 CAHIER DES CHARGES ARMOIRE ELECTRIQUE - SPECIFICATIONS GENERALES
1 CAHIER DES CHARGES ARMOIRE ELECTRIQUE - SPECIFICATIONS PARTICULIERES
1 CONTRAT DE SOUS-TRAITANCE
1 CONFIGURATION AUTOMATE
1 **CHEMIN DE CROIX**
1 NOMENCLATURE DES EQUIPEMENTS (AVEC REFERENCES)
Proposed translations
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Change log
Jul 14, 2020 09:57: Tony M Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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definition of work package boundaries
I have also found 'work breakdown structure', but that seems to be a proprietary term coined by one software publisher.
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Note added at 15 hrs (2020-07-11 09:32:34 GMT)
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I am 100% sure of what the term means, but I have not had the time to do the further research (that Asker is I'm sure more than capable of doing) in order to confirm the most widespread term used in EN — whence my modest confidence rating, for what is only a suggestion, as an avenue for further research.
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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs (2020-07-11 20:32:53 GMT)
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Perhaps the fact that there are so few instances out there on the 'Net is indicative of the rather fanciful, tenuous nature of this metaphor.
If we imagine Christ's final journey as a line bounding "Work Package X", then the stations of the Cross along the way could be thought of as representing the interface points with other Work Packages. Just as in fact Christ in many places interacts with others along his route.
It's a bit « tiré par les cheveux » as we might say!
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Note added at 15 hrs (2020-07-11 09:32:34 GMT)
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I am 100% sure of what the term means, but I have not had the time to do the further research (that Asker is I'm sure more than capable of doing) in order to confirm the most widespread term used in EN — whence my modest confidence rating, for what is only a suggestion, as an avenue for further research.
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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs (2020-07-11 20:32:53 GMT)
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Perhaps the fact that there are so few instances out there on the 'Net is indicative of the rather fanciful, tenuous nature of this metaphor.
If we imagine Christ's final journey as a line bounding "Work Package X", then the stations of the Cross along the way could be thought of as representing the interface points with other Work Packages. Just as in fact Christ in many places interacts with others along his route.
It's a bit « tiré par les cheveux » as we might say!
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philgoddard
: I don't think you should be disagreeing with other people's answers when you haven't provided any evidence for your own.//Sorry, I didn't see your reference entry, so I'm agreeing. I still don't really see why it's called a chemin de croix, though.
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Thanks, Phil! I think it defines 'limit points', just as the Stations of the Cross define the key 'boundaries' along Christ's path
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Kim Metzger
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Thanks, Kim!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks Tony. As I thought a "definition of boundaries" is the same as a "delimitation" and both of them can be a form of document, in the end I opted for a hybrid between your answer and Johannes's: delimitation of work packages."
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path through the connecting points; path through the nodes
It is about an electrical cabinet, which is a junction box.
"Connecting points" describes in particular the strictly mechanical standpoint. "Nodes" describes the network theory (and mathematical network theory) standpoint.
"Connecting points" describes in particular the strictly mechanical standpoint. "Nodes" describes the network theory (and mathematical network theory) standpoint.
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Tony M
: Plse see refs. provided for this term, which relates to defining where the work package boundaries are located. / As I'm 100% sure your answer is wrong (based on my years of experience in the field) BUT I am not 100% sure of my suggested term in EN
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(Er, how is it that you don't rate your answer a "5" yet you feel compelled to append a "disagree" rating, rather than "neutral", to my answer? One rarely sees this.)
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Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Mexico
Mexico
Confianza, certeza, creatividad.
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Mexican)
Works in: English to Spanish, Italian to Spanish, French to Spanish, and 6 more.
conector en cruz
Conector de/para cable en cruz.
https://www.melloved.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&pr...
https://es.aliexpress.com/i/32902392120.html
https://www.melloved.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&pr...
https://es.aliexpress.com/i/32902392120.html
1 day 18 hrs
Johannes Gleim
Specializes in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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165
delimitation of lots
The necessity to continuously upgrade products and reduce costs, means that in, for example, the mechanical engineering and electronics industries, production lots are created in order to plan finished products and important semi-finished parts. Production lot planning enables you to determine the costs for a product in relation to a certain change status in the preliminary planning stage, that is, before the sales order has been received.
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_ls200/helpdata/en/fd/b8a7f6d8f0...
Lot size
There are different types of lot sizes. A production lot size, for example, determines the quantity of material manufactured as the result of one setup.
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_plc100/helpdata/en/5b/dc7a5528c...
The second requirement is that production order responding to the condition of production line should be dispatched at the necessary timing. Especially for small volume of production lot, short dispatching cycle of production order is required.
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Example of the MSPS
The MSPS of programmable logic controller (PLC) and temperature controller are shown below. These products consist of PCB (electronic components mounted on PWB), connector for external interface (terminal board), power supply unit, and chassis. Elemental works required are solder coating, components installation, soldering, assembly, and inspection. …
Production line of PLC consist of multiple production cells comprised of function unitis corresponding to each work as shown in Figure 7. …
https://books.google.de/books?id=aaRDAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA306&lpg=P...
4.8.1 Pre-Construction Phase
The pre-construction phase has been completed under EQPB permit PEA-247-15. Activities included identification of a contractor, delimitation of lot boundaries (survey of lot), develop and implement required soil erosion measures, and securing source of fill material.
https://www.palaugov.pw/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Benjamin-...
(also called batch production), lot size must be reduced to shorten processing time.
https://books.google.de/books?id=DhZ4cWCI6MIC&pg=PA131&lpg=P...
The Project for Improvement of East-West Arterial Road and Community Road in Northern Area of Kabul (i)
2TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
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Concrete under acceptance shall be notionally divided into lots for the purpose of sampling, before commencement of work. The delimitation of lots shall be determined by the following:
(i)No individual lot shall be more than 30 cum. in volume
(ii)At least one specimen forming an item of the sample representing the lot shall be taken from concrete of the same grade and mix proportions cast on any day.
(iii)Different grades of mixes of concrete shall be divided into separate lots.
(iv)Concrete of a lot shall be used in the same identifiable component of the bridge.
file:///C:/Users/Gleim/AppData/Local/Temp/07.%20Volume%20II_Technical%20Specifications-1.pdf
My proposal "delimitation of lots (works, jobs, etc.)" may not be standardized but is comprehensible in industrial context.
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_ls200/helpdata/en/fd/b8a7f6d8f0...
Lot size
There are different types of lot sizes. A production lot size, for example, determines the quantity of material manufactured as the result of one setup.
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_plc100/helpdata/en/5b/dc7a5528c...
The second requirement is that production order responding to the condition of production line should be dispatched at the necessary timing. Especially for small volume of production lot, short dispatching cycle of production order is required.
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Example of the MSPS
The MSPS of programmable logic controller (PLC) and temperature controller are shown below. These products consist of PCB (electronic components mounted on PWB), connector for external interface (terminal board), power supply unit, and chassis. Elemental works required are solder coating, components installation, soldering, assembly, and inspection. …
Production line of PLC consist of multiple production cells comprised of function unitis corresponding to each work as shown in Figure 7. …
https://books.google.de/books?id=aaRDAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA306&lpg=P...
4.8.1 Pre-Construction Phase
The pre-construction phase has been completed under EQPB permit PEA-247-15. Activities included identification of a contractor, delimitation of lot boundaries (survey of lot), develop and implement required soil erosion measures, and securing source of fill material.
https://www.palaugov.pw/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Benjamin-...
(also called batch production), lot size must be reduced to shorten processing time.
https://books.google.de/books?id=DhZ4cWCI6MIC&pg=PA131&lpg=P...
The Project for Improvement of East-West Arterial Road and Community Road in Northern Area of Kabul (i)
2TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
:
Concrete under acceptance shall be notionally divided into lots for the purpose of sampling, before commencement of work. The delimitation of lots shall be determined by the following:
(i)No individual lot shall be more than 30 cum. in volume
(ii)At least one specimen forming an item of the sample representing the lot shall be taken from concrete of the same grade and mix proportions cast on any day.
(iii)Different grades of mixes of concrete shall be divided into separate lots.
(iv)Concrete of a lot shall be used in the same identifiable component of the bridge.
file:///C:/Users/Gleim/AppData/Local/Temp/07.%20Volume%20II_Technical%20Specifications-1.pdf
My proposal "delimitation of lots (works, jobs, etc.)" may not be standardized but is comprehensible in industrial context.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Your refs relate to 'lots' used in a different sense; and here it is not 'the action of delimiting', but rather some document that defines what these limits are.
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Reference comments
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Reference:
Two mentions
A kind and much-missed contributor to this forum has provided the following two references which appear to explain the actual meaning of this term:
Définition des limites de prestation (chemin de croix) entre les lots
http://avensconsulting.fr/recherche-offres.php?idOffre=375
Les limites de prestations sont définies dans le chemin de croix, joint en général au CCTP ou parfois au CCAG
https://fr.scribd.com/document/375903370/Memoire-PFE
Définition des limites de prestation (chemin de croix) entre les lots
http://avensconsulting.fr/recherche-offres.php?idOffre=375
Les limites de prestations sont définies dans le chemin de croix, joint en général au CCTP ou parfois au CCAG
https://fr.scribd.com/document/375903370/Memoire-PFE
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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writeaway
: 3 guesses as to who this totally reliable much-missed contributor is, and the first 2 don't count
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Thanks, W/A!
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Johannes Gleim
Specializes in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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165
Reference:
Some clues for deciphering 'chemin de croix'
[1] eigentlich und bildlich: die Kreuzung verschiedener Wege an einer Stelle; die Stelle, an der sich verschiedene Wege gabeln
https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kreuzweg
translated: 1] actually and figuratively: the crossing of different paths at one place; the place where different paths fork.
Embedeed reste encore malheureusement un vrai chemin de croix :( et je ne saurai pas répondre à ta première question concernant le principe de diffusion des rôles. En effet, c'est bien le rôle du client web que de reconnaître l'utilisateur puis de faire une demande correspondante au service Power BI. Il s'agit là de développement Web et le code auquel tu fais référence me semble bien répondre à ce besoin.
https://www.pbiusergroup.com/communities/community-home/dige...
(Microsoft Power BI [Business Intelligence] for Office 365)
The Stations of the Cross or the Way of the Cross, also known as the Way of Sorrows or the Via Crucis, …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross
May describe a painful approach or subdivision of workflow or into lots.
https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kreuzweg
translated: 1] actually and figuratively: the crossing of different paths at one place; the place where different paths fork.
Embedeed reste encore malheureusement un vrai chemin de croix :( et je ne saurai pas répondre à ta première question concernant le principe de diffusion des rôles. En effet, c'est bien le rôle du client web que de reconnaître l'utilisateur puis de faire une demande correspondante au service Power BI. Il s'agit là de développement Web et le code auquel tu fais référence me semble bien répondre à ce besoin.
https://www.pbiusergroup.com/communities/community-home/dige...
(Microsoft Power BI [Business Intelligence] for Office 365)
The Stations of the Cross or the Way of the Cross, also known as the Way of Sorrows or the Via Crucis, …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross
May describe a painful approach or subdivision of workflow or into lots.
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