Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

à vocation patrimoniale

English translation:

equity-based ; held as a capital asset / proprietary investment

Added to glossary by Adrian MM.
Nov 4, 2020 13:54
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French term

à vocation patrimoniale

French to English Law/Patents Real Estate
T&Cs / Prospectus concerning an investment fund (based in Luxembourg)

"STRATÉGIE D’INVESTISSEMENT

Un portefeuille résilient au cœur de la stratégie.
La stratégie d’investissements du fonds vise à constituer un portefeuille totalement résilient, à partir d’actifs décorrélés des aléas du climat économique .
Le choix de concentrer les actifs principalement dans des secteurs contra-cycliques ou agnostiques au climat économique s’ajoute à des exigences de localisation et d’excellence des locataires, engagés sur des baux fermes de longue durée.
Ces critères permettent d’inscrire dans le portefeuille des actifs immobiliers Européens Core/ Core+ à vocation patrimoniale, sécurisés."

I have a fairly strong conviction that this has nothing to do with "heritage" properties. Patrimonial also means "economic" or "financial". But given that all the real estate properties bought by the fund are going to be bought in order to make money, what might they be getting at by this phrase? Particularly profitable real estate assets, perhaps?
Change log

Nov 15, 2020 19:15: Adrian MM. Created KOG entry

Nov 15, 2020 19:16: Adrian MM. changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/2688125">Adrian MM.'s</a> old entry - "à vocation patrimoniale"" to ""equity-based ; held as a capital asset""

Discussion

philgoddard Nov 4, 2020:
I think MamaG is probably right, in which case you could leave it out. "Core plus" means it's growth oriented, rather than just aiming for a steady income, so there's a higher risk involved.
Suzie Withers Nov 4, 2020:
Fund-holding? This document in French contains the phrase "à vocation économique ou patrimoniale" and is translated in the English version as "financial or fund-holding". Patrimoniale is also used in wealth management and asset management (gestion patrimoniale)

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/fr/PRES_0...

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/PRES_0...
MamaG Nov 4, 2020:
https://origininvestments.com/2018/02/21/what-are-core-core-... Maybe it's helpfully translating over into French the nuance of the "Core" in English for people who might not get that.

Proposed translations

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French term (edited): + à vocation patrimoniale
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+ equity-based

Yes, patrimonial is indeed a weasel-word, 'proprietary' often working, but I don't see how the old adage of 'when in doubt, leave out' can work after the Core (space) + sign.

Anyway, in the overally context, actifs immobiliers may parse into those à vocation patrimoniale.

I also considered: held as a capital asset, proprietary or (company-to-company) trade investment, but someone else may care to take any alternative 'ball' and run with it..
Example sentence:

...] liquidity standing, recorded sizeable gains on our proprietary investments as a result of the financial market recovery, managed [...] in the second half of the year to stem the outflow of client funds almost entirely, and have maintained our client

Businesses and Capital Assets. A capital asset is generally owned for its role in contributing to the business\'s ability to generate profit.

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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, I went for "equity-based" in the end"
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for historic preservation

De manière générale le patrimoine est un ensemble existant, souvent en grande partie ou en totalité hérité du passé, constitué de biens matériels et/ou immatériels, propriété privée ou bien commun, que l'on peut vouloir conserver, vendre, échanger, valoriser ou maintenir pour les générations futures.

Source:Wikipedia



https://www.immobail.com/informations/strategies-d-investiss...
Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : The asker doesn't think this is the meaning, and I agree.
4 hrs
what are your reasons? Did you read the attachment?
neutral SafeTex : This is about an investment fund, not a donation towards "historic preservation"
2 days 2 hrs
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sustainable

According to the E.U. definition of what a core building is. This is about sustainability.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-11-04 16:25:08 GMT)
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I feel in this case, given the French explanation provided by the asker, we are talking about more than simply heritage factors for buildings. The EU definition of core buildings clarifies the sustainability emphasis, to be able to withstand economic downturns.
Example sentence:

Developed as a common EU framework of core indicators for the sustainability of office and residential buildings, Level(s) provides a set of indicators and common metrics for measuring the performance of buildings along their life cycle.

Peer comment(s):

neutral Suzie Withers : "core" and "core+" refer to types of investment - see MamaG's reference in the discussion
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for purposes of heritage

It relates to long-standing cultural or heritage assets which must have a respected protection.
Example sentence:

"Ces critères permettent d'inscrire dans le portefeuille des actifs immobiliers à vocation patrimoniale, sécurisés."

"The criteria allow entries in the file of secured property shares, for purposes of heritage with cultural protection."

Peer comment(s):

neutral AllegroTrans : How do you know? Any evidence? Asker has already says he doubts this
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1 day 14 hrs

prestige property (fund/shares)

Hello

I've fully read this thread and references and come to the conclusion that "patrimonial" is used in both senses, -heritage (like "listed building"/'National Trust") and "assets".

I get the impression that this is a longer term investment and as some of the buildings are no doubt listed or otherwise protected, your shares may indeed go to your children one day

Also, you are not just counting on the dividends but the value of the building itself

"Dans cette optique les investisseurs acceptent un rendement un peu moins sécurisé en échange d’une hausse potentielle de la valeur de leur immeuble. "

So it's not just about "historic preservation" nor "purpose of heritage" but a combination which if, you think about it, may be summarised by a term like "prestige property".

When you invest in "prestige property", both ideas are probably running through your head.

Peer comment(s):

neutral Francois Boye : in Europe, they do not call a prestige property a component of national patrimony.
12 hrs
this is about an investment fund. You can't invest in "national patrimony"
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