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Sep 6, 2021 13:50
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French term
Inventeur
French to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
Various occurrences in object labels for prints:
Name of a person (inventeur), Name of a different person (graveur)
These "inventeurs" are not literally the inventors of the technique in question.
I've never come across this usage before. I thought it was perhaps a quirk of this museum but have found other examples of identical use, e.g. https://www.pop.culture.gouv.fr/notice/joconde/02860007361
Auteur
anonyme (inventeur, graveur) , BAMLER Johannes (éditeur)
My solution so far is "artist" as the originator ("inventor") of the image which was then turned into an engraving or litho.
Has anyone evidence of an equivalent term in English?
Thank you.
Name of a person (inventeur), Name of a different person (graveur)
These "inventeurs" are not literally the inventors of the technique in question.
I've never come across this usage before. I thought it was perhaps a quirk of this museum but have found other examples of identical use, e.g. https://www.pop.culture.gouv.fr/notice/joconde/02860007361
Auteur
anonyme (inventeur, graveur) , BAMLER Johannes (éditeur)
My solution so far is "artist" as the originator ("inventor") of the image which was then turned into an engraving or litho.
Has anyone evidence of an equivalent term in English?
Thank you.
Proposed translations
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4 +5 | original artist | Helen Shiner |
Proposed translations
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original artist
Please see my discussion box entry. See also the use of the term here: https://www.fineart.co.uk/buying/guild_archive_engravers.asp...
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-09-06 15:24:40 GMT)
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https://www.geekmojol.com/italy-benevento-1864-fine-quality-...
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object-groups/the...
Quite often, at least two artists are associated with a print - the engraver, etcher, or lithographer, and the original artist after which the print was copied. The standard is to give the engraver's name first, and then to say "after" the original artist: For example, Bernard Baron, after Watteau; or, Nicolas Dorigny, after Raphael.
https://www.loc.gov/collections/dayton-c-miller-collection/a...
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-09-06 15:24:40 GMT)
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https://www.geekmojol.com/italy-benevento-1864-fine-quality-...
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object-groups/the...
Quite often, at least two artists are associated with a print - the engraver, etcher, or lithographer, and the original artist after which the print was copied. The standard is to give the engraver's name first, and then to say "after" the original artist: For example, Bernard Baron, after Watteau; or, Nicolas Dorigny, after Raphael.
https://www.loc.gov/collections/dayton-c-miller-collection/a...
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Discussion
Concernant l’indication « inventeur », il s’agit en effet d’une erreur.
Le mot « inventeur » est à remplacer par « dessinateur ».
Other entries refer to "dessinateur" and "graveur". It'll be interesting to find out why these particular ones are different.
"Domaine de l'art. C'est une qualité rare chez les peintres que l'invention (...). Comme si l'imagination était une faculté plutôt septentrionale et germanique, il n'y a eu guère d'inventeurs puissants qu'Albert Dürer et Rembrandt (Ch. BLANC, Gramm. arts dessin, 1876, p. 495)".
[NB a rather odd use of "guère ... que"? alternatively a word is missing before "puissants": "aussi" or "plus"].
In fact this TLFi entry continues: "Les grands inventeurs en musique donnent un corps à la sensibilité inquiète qui se cherche et s'ignore (SUARÈS, Debussy, 1936, p. 95) :
2. Ainsi donc, dans les arts l'inventeur est celui
Qui peint ce que chacun put sentir comme lui;
Qui, fouillant des objets les plus sombres retraites,
Étale et fait briller leurs richesses secrètes...
CHÉNIER, Invention, 1794, p. 13."
In a more general sense in art the word is probably "inventor" or possibly "innovator". "Innovator" would certainly apply quite nicely to Dürer and Rembrandt, I think.
It'd be nice to know whether modern French art writers still use the word like this.