Sep 21, 2021 05:28
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English term

engage

Non-PRO English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
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Change log

Sep 21, 2021 15:25: Tony M changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Sep 27, 2021 22:10: Andrea Capuselli changed "Term Context" from "Our wonderful Memory Visiting Volunteers are specially trained to engage people experiencing the early to mid stages of memory impairment due to dementia, stroke or injury." to "Context removed by ProZ.com staff."

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (3): Rob Grayson, Rachel Fell, Tony M

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Discussion

Tony M Sep 21, 2021:
@ Mark I don't agree: there is a nuance of meaning here that has nothing to do with BE vs. AE — in particular, I have often encountered this construction with 'engage' (alone) used in AE, but with this important distinction in the meaning (in essence, subject / indirect object)
Mark Robertson Sep 21, 2021:
@All This is probably a en-us en-uk issue.
Masoud Kakouli Varnousfaderani (asker) Sep 21, 2021:
Tnx everyone
writeaway Sep 21, 2021:
Additional context backs Tony's answer

Home » Programs » Social Supports » Memory Visiting
Memory Visiting
Volunteer visits for people living with memory impairment in Halton.

It can be difficult to maintain friendships in the early stages of memory loss. Yet social connections are key to retaining communication skills and feeling happy.
Our wonderful Memory Visiting Volunteers are specially trained to engage people experiencing the early to mid stages of memory impairment due to dementia, stroke or injury.

They provide a friendly social connection outside of the client’s normal social sphere and will find activities or conversations that appeal to the client’s unique interests and abilities. This may involve looking at family photos, going out for a walk or simply sharing coffee and conversation. Visits usually happen once a week for 1-2 hours.
https://acclaimhealth.ca/programs/social-supports/memory-vis...
Tony M Sep 21, 2021:
@ Mark Don't agree! There is a nuance of meaning, and one or the other form may be correct in difference contexts. See the examples I've added.
Mark Robertson Sep 21, 2021:
@Masoud Masoud is right. The correct form is engage with, in this context.

"1. If you engage someone in conversation, you have a conversation with them.
2. If you engage with something or with a group of people, you get involved with that thing or group and feel that you are connected with it or have real contact with it.
3. If you engage someone to do a particular job, you appoint them to do it."

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/pt/dictionary/english/enga...

Responses

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connect / make a connection with

To establish a rapport with, communicate with...

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Asker:

No, it is not an error. Certainly 'engage with' is also used, but here, I think it is used like this to suggest the asymmetry of the relation: if the trained volunteer engages the patient, that will mean that they have succeeded in getting the patient to engage with them; do you see what I mean?

If you engage with an idea, project, plan, etc., it means you want to be involved with it; this may happen if you find the idea 'engaging'.

You can 'engage with' someone / something — but they / it will 'engage' you.
Note from asker:
Shouldn't it be "engage with"? Is it an error here?
Thanks for your time.
Peer comment(s):

agree philgoddard : Not an error. It means the same as 'engage with'.
1 hr
Thanks, Phil! Oh indeed, no error.
agree writeaway : not engage with. Checking English dictionaries could prove helpful. If it's North American English, it can also mean involve
4 hrs
Thanks, W/A!
agree Liane Lazoski
6 hrs
Thanks, Liane!
agree Yvonne Gallagher
10 hrs
Thanks, Yvonnr!
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : or a little more freely: 'involve them in social interaction'.
11 hrs
Thanks, Tina!
agree David Hollywood
20 hrs
Thanks, David!
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7 hrs

trained for intervention with people

Trained to provide nursing intervention for people suffering these conditions.

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Note added at 7 hrs (2021-09-21 12:37:28 GMT)
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Scratch nursing, sub with volunteer

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Note added at 7 hrs (2021-09-21 12:48:23 GMT)
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As to whether a volunteer can be involved in intervention: https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : 'Intervention' in EN tends to have a certain 'loaded' and often negative conotation that is absolutely unwanted here.
2 hrs
That’s over the top in my view Tony, but thanks for feedback. Intervention with compassion need not leave one with a morbid taste in the mouth.
neutral Tina Vonhof (X) : I agree with Tony, intervention is a bit stronger, goes further than simply involving them in social interaction.
4 hrs
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