Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Landkommisariatsbote
English translation:
district commissioner\'s messenger
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German term
Landcommisariatsboth / Landkommisariatsbote
German to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
This title (occupation) appears in an 1836 birth record from the formerly Bavarian village of Kottweiler-Schwanden (Pfalz): "Franz Schnorr alt dreißig acht Jahr, Landcommissariatsboth wohnhaft zu Homburg." A search online brings up several references to this man with the title written as "Landkommisariatsbote." I'm trying to find an appropriate translation for this title.
I did find this online: "The Landkommissariat Homburg (officially Land Commissariat Homburg ) was one of twelve administrative districts in the Bavarian Rhine District (renamed "Kreis Pfalz" in 1837), which existed from 1818 and was renamed in 1862 to the District Office Homburg . The administrative area was in today's districts of Kaiserslautern , Kusel and Südwestpfalz in Rhineland-Palatinate as well as in the Saarpfalz district in Saarland , the eponymous administrative seat was in the Saarland city of Homburg ."
"Bote" usually refers to a messenger, but perhaps a "representative" in this case? I just don't know...
I did find this online: "The Landkommissariat Homburg (officially Land Commissariat Homburg ) was one of twelve administrative districts in the Bavarian Rhine District (renamed "Kreis Pfalz" in 1837), which existed from 1818 and was renamed in 1862 to the District Office Homburg . The administrative area was in today's districts of Kaiserslautern , Kusel and Südwestpfalz in Rhineland-Palatinate as well as in the Saarpfalz district in Saarland , the eponymous administrative seat was in the Saarland city of Homburg ."
"Bote" usually refers to a messenger, but perhaps a "representative" in this case? I just don't know...
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district commissioner's messenger
"Dem Landkommissar standen ein Aktuar, zwei Schreiber und ein Bote zur Verfügung"
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkommissariat_Germersheim
(...an actuary, two scribes, and a messenger)
If you’re not entirely happy with “messenger”, here’s a site with “historical” occupations I have found helpful for genealogy projects:
http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupa...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkommissariat_Germersheim
(...an actuary, two scribes, and a messenger)
If you’re not entirely happy with “messenger”, here’s a site with “historical” occupations I have found helpful for genealogy projects:
http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupa...
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provincial/district office clerk
having reviewed this
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I would steer away from anything with "commissariat"
commissariat
/ˌkɒmɪˈsɛːrɪət/
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noun
1.
MILITARY
a department for the supply of food and equipment.
2.
a government department of the USSR before 1946.
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I would steer away from anything with "commissariat"
commissariat
/ˌkɒmɪˈsɛːrɪət/
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noun
1.
MILITARY
a department for the supply of food and equipment.
2.
a government department of the USSR before 1946.
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Clerk to the Land Commissariat
https://www.google.com/search?q="clerk to the"&oq="clerk to ...
Bote is certainly well below the rank of commissioner.
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or Courier to the Land Commissariat
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/courier
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Unlike a job description (nature of work done), a job title (official role) generally warrants initial caps.
Bote is certainly well below the rank of commissioner.
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or Courier to the Land Commissariat
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/courier
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Unlike a job description (nature of work done), a job title (official role) generally warrants initial caps.
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David Hollywood
: absolutely and let's see how the "Land" bit turns out...maybe district office clerk...and anything with "commissariat" would be iffy IMO
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Thanks. Asker already seems to have solved the 'Landcommisariat' component to his/her own satisfaction.
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AllegroTrans
: Not against "Commissariat" in principle given the rather militarised nature of C19th Germany
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Yes, asker is happy with it. The stated context is a 'birth record' rather than narrative prose.
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Deputy to the Regional Governor's Office
A bit too late now, but an historical connexion could have been made with a /sous-/préfecture that sometimes translates as a Regional Governor's Sub-Dept.
Aktuar isa Registrar or Recorder rather than an Actuary, Schreiber a Scribe or Scrivener and Bote a Deputy or Attaché as well as a 'Messenger'.
Aktuar isa Registrar or Recorder rather than an Actuary, Schreiber a Scribe or Scrivener and Bote a Deputy or Attaché as well as a 'Messenger'.
Example sentence:
Fonds du Landkommissariat (sous-préfecture) de Ribeauvillé. • Affaires de nationalité, naturalisations.
Reference comments
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Reference:
Das Landkommissariat Kusel (amtlich: Land-Commissariat Kusel, auch Cusel) war einer von zwölf Verwaltungsbezirken im bayerischen Rheinkreis (1837 in „Kreis Pfalz“ umbenannt), der ab 1818 bestand und 1862 in Bezirksamt Kusel umbenannt wurde. Das Verwaltungsgebiet lag hauptsächlich in dem aus ihm entstandenen heutigen rheinland-pfälzischen Landkreis Kusel, teilweise auch in den Landkreisen Bad Kreuznach und Kaiserslautern, dem Donnersbergkreis sowie im saarländischen Landkreis St. Wendel. Der Verwaltungssitz war in Kusel.
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: Yes, googling generally generates goodies (gggg)
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