Dec 30, 2021 07:24
2 yrs ago
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English term
use of possession
English to French
Law/Patents
Law: Contract(s)
sciences
Bonjour,
Je souhaiterais bénéficier des lumières de la communauté pour la traduction de l'expression "use of possession or ownership" dans la phrase ci-dessous.
The Buyer shall indemnify and hold the Seller harmless from and against any and all losses or costs arising out of the Buyer's use of possession or ownership.
Merci à vous
Je souhaiterais bénéficier des lumières de la communauté pour la traduction de l'expression "use of possession or ownership" dans la phrase ci-dessous.
The Buyer shall indemnify and hold the Seller harmless from and against any and all losses or costs arising out of the Buyer's use of possession or ownership.
Merci à vous
Proposed translations
(French)
4 | usage des biens ou de la propriété de l'acheteur | mchd |
3 -1 | usage de la possession | Robin Dufaye |
Proposed translations
-1
44 mins
usage de la possession
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Eliza Hall
: Would be correct if the original were, but the original is a typo & should say, "use OR possession or ownership."
1 day 6 hrs
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disagree |
Daryo
: the ST as it is makes no sense - that needs to be fixed first // I very much doubt that this contract is about selling pets ...
2 days 16 hrs
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neutral |
Germaine
: Si c'était vraiment ce qu'on veut dire (mais j'en doute fortement pour les raisons déjà exprimées), en français, on parlerait alors d'usufruit il me semble.
3 days 14 hrs
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57 mins
usage des biens ou de la propriété de l'acheteur
autre possibilité sans plus de contexte.
C'est une clause que l'on retrouve souvent dans les contrats de sous-traitance : l'acheteur confie un outillage au vendeur pour la production de pièces.
C'est une clause que l'on retrouve souvent dans les contrats de sous-traitance : l'acheteur confie un outillage au vendeur pour la production de pièces.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Cécile A.-C.
8 hrs
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merci
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neutral |
Eliza Hall
: Would be correct if the original were, but I think the original is a typo & should say, "use OR possession or ownership."
1 day 5 hrs
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neutral |
Germaine
: Je partage l'avis d'Éliza
1 day 13 hrs
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disagree |
Daryo
: "usage des biens" is correct as it should be part of but is nowhere to be seen in the ST as it is// what in there is "usage de la possession des biens" + "usage de la propriété des biens" which is a bit puzzling, to say the least ...
2 days 16 hrs
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Discussion
As a translator I would flag this, state that it is clearly a typo since as written it doesn't make sense, and translate what it should've said ("use OR...").
"Buyer's use or possession or ownership"
of whatever was sold does make perfect sense, while
"Buyer's use of possession or ownership"
sounds really odd - how would you "use possession" or "use ownership" in a way that it would make sense in a clause about "keeping harmless" the Seller???
Further "preuve par l'absurde" (the final nail in the coffin) that wording ("Buyer's use of possession or ownership") would ignore / omit the most likely source of legal troubles: the Buyer plainly using the thing that was sold NOT "using the possession" or "using the ownership".
The ST needs to be rechecked / clarified by the client - as as it is it's in fact plain non-sense.
BTW habituel / inhabituel has nothing to do with this text.
Unsurprisingly, there is grand total of TWO ghits for "use of possession or ownership" in BOTH samples the "of" making no sense whatsoever, and being an obvious typo for "or"
https://www.allaxismachining.com/docs/AXM-Selling-Terms.pdf
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/894228/?type=print
1. "Use of possession" is not a term I've ever seen in my many years of being a lawyer.
2. It doesn't make sense; "ownership" has no object in this sentence, so why would "use" need one? These are 3 independent words, each representing a slightly different aspect of the buyer's relationship to the property (using it, being in physical possession of it, or legally owning it).
3. "Use or ownership or possession" is a standard phrase used in this type of clause--namely an indemnification clause intended to protect the seller against claims by the buyer or anyone else. It makes clear that if any loss arises from any aspect of the buyer's relationship to the property, that will not impact the seller because the buyer promises to indemnify the seller if that happens.