Apr 10, 2023 09:25
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ran his machine out onto the interstate
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This question was originally posted in EN > SP KudoZ: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https:/...
There is an editor interested in amending a publication, so a second Kudoz was posted in the EN > EN section: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https:/...
As in both cases there was so little information, we have decided to give it a third try, providing the following data:
Run his machine out on to the interstate is an expression used by an author that criticizes Michael Horton when referring to a particular text of Witness Lee:
"Horton almost run his machine out on to the interstate. He says, 'The word powerful means dynamic. The Greek word comes from the noun dynamo. It refers to a kind of power like that of a nuclear bomb...'"
I presume there is a typo in RUN as it should be either RUNS or RAN, however I have reproduced the text as it appears in the original KudoZ as I have not found it else where.
Also, it does not seem to be clearly written (or the context provided in not enough), as it is not clear who is HE (in "he says")
He says should read WITNESS LEE SAYS " 'The word powerful means dynamic. The Greek word comes from the noun dynamo. It refers to a kind of power like that of a nuclear bomb...' as we have found that the text belongs to Witness Lee (https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https:/...
The author that criticizes Michael Horton could be John. M. Frame as he bases the critics to Horton on supporting the translations of Witness Lee. However, there are several authors that have criticized Michael Horton, so we can't assure that the author is John. M. Frame.
More information is provided in the KudoZ links provided.
The QUESTION IS: WHAT DOES THE UNIDENTIFIED AUTHOR MEAN BY "HE RAN HIS MACHINE OUT ON TO (ONTO) THE INTERSTATE? WHAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION/UNDERSTANDING OF IT? IS THERE AN IDIOM FROM WHICH THE EXPRESSION OF THE AUTHOR DERIVED?
Please don't allow the agrees, disagrees and responses interfere with your reasoning, they could be right or wrong as they were based on too little information or fake premises.
Cheers and thank you!
There is an editor interested in amending a publication, so a second Kudoz was posted in the EN > EN section: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https:/...
As in both cases there was so little information, we have decided to give it a third try, providing the following data:
Run his machine out on to the interstate is an expression used by an author that criticizes Michael Horton when referring to a particular text of Witness Lee:
"Horton almost run his machine out on to the interstate. He says, 'The word powerful means dynamic. The Greek word comes from the noun dynamo. It refers to a kind of power like that of a nuclear bomb...'"
I presume there is a typo in RUN as it should be either RUNS or RAN, however I have reproduced the text as it appears in the original KudoZ as I have not found it else where.
Also, it does not seem to be clearly written (or the context provided in not enough), as it is not clear who is HE (in "he says")
He says should read WITNESS LEE SAYS " 'The word powerful means dynamic. The Greek word comes from the noun dynamo. It refers to a kind of power like that of a nuclear bomb...' as we have found that the text belongs to Witness Lee (https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https:/...
The author that criticizes Michael Horton could be John. M. Frame as he bases the critics to Horton on supporting the translations of Witness Lee. However, there are several authors that have criticized Michael Horton, so we can't assure that the author is John. M. Frame.
More information is provided in the KudoZ links provided.
The QUESTION IS: WHAT DOES THE UNIDENTIFIED AUTHOR MEAN BY "HE RAN HIS MACHINE OUT ON TO (ONTO) THE INTERSTATE? WHAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION/UNDERSTANDING OF IT? IS THERE AN IDIOM FROM WHICH THE EXPRESSION OF THE AUTHOR DERIVED?
Please don't allow the agrees, disagrees and responses interfere with your reasoning, they could be right or wrong as they were based on too little information or fake premises.
Cheers and thank you!
Proposed translations
(Italian)
| 1 | la macchina di ... viene lanciata quasi oltre il limite |
claudiabi
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References
| by Michael Horton |
Tomasso
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Proposed translations
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la macchina di ... viene lanciata quasi oltre il limite
la macchina di ... sbanda e per poco non finisce fuori strada
la macchina di ... fa un largo giro e finisce quasi in autostrada
... lancia la sua macchina quasi fino in autostrada
Hello José,
I am just guessing. 100% guessing...
I've omitted the subject, because it is confused to me. For the ambiguity of the sentence, "He says" could be also stretchedly interpreted as "Egli riporta" in Italian
b. Di discorsi, notizie, passi di libri, ecc., farli conoscere, comunicarli ad altri a voce o per scritto, citarli
Spesso, con l’idea che i discorsi e le notizie si comunicano per maldicenza, o facendo la spia, o comunque violando un segreto o disobbedendo a un divieto
c. (non comune) Far risalire, attribuire
https://www.treccani.it/vocabolario/riportare/
Witness repetedly equals the Greek word "dynamo" to "divine power":
https://www.google.it/books/edition/The_Collected_Works_of_W...
Ephesians 1:19
power
δυνάμεως (dynameōs)
Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular
Strong's 1411: From dunamai; force; specially, miraculous power.
https://biblehub.com/ephesians/1-19.htm
I also pray that you will understand the incredible greatness of God’s power for us who believe him. This is the same mighty power that raised Christ from the dead and seated him in the place of honor at God’s right hand in the heavenly realms.
https://biblehub.com/nlt/ephesians/1.htm
la macchina di ... fa un largo giro e finisce quasi in autostrada
... lancia la sua macchina quasi fino in autostrada
Hello José,
I am just guessing. 100% guessing...
I've omitted the subject, because it is confused to me. For the ambiguity of the sentence, "He says" could be also stretchedly interpreted as "Egli riporta" in Italian
b. Di discorsi, notizie, passi di libri, ecc., farli conoscere, comunicarli ad altri a voce o per scritto, citarli
Spesso, con l’idea che i discorsi e le notizie si comunicano per maldicenza, o facendo la spia, o comunque violando un segreto o disobbedendo a un divieto
c. (non comune) Far risalire, attribuire
https://www.treccani.it/vocabolario/riportare/
Witness repetedly equals the Greek word "dynamo" to "divine power":
https://www.google.it/books/edition/The_Collected_Works_of_W...
Ephesians 1:19
power
δυνάμεως (dynameōs)
Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular
Strong's 1411: From dunamai; force; specially, miraculous power.
https://biblehub.com/ephesians/1-19.htm
I also pray that you will understand the incredible greatness of God’s power for us who believe him. This is the same mighty power that raised Christ from the dead and seated him in the place of honor at God’s right hand in the heavenly realms.
https://biblehub.com/nlt/ephesians/1.htm
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Reference comments
13 hrs
Reference:
by Michael Horton
3.dbu.edu/naugle/pdf/2303_handouts/ModernismPostmoderism-Horton
quote..The Tower of Babel: Modernity built the
tower - now postmodernity must face the
challenge of condemning the "unsafe
structure."
by Michael Horton
The article is used with permission from the September/October 1995 issue of Modern
Reformation, a superb magazine available from CURE, 2221 East Winston Road Suite K,
Anaheim, CA 92806.
various meanings of MACHINE....It was this basic orientation that inspired the prophets of the modern world in Europe and
America. In the United States, pragmatism was promulgated by William James (1842-
1910). In a modern world, where the machine is the key paradigm, whatever works is the
test of truth. John Dewey (1859-1952), father of modern education, Sigmund Freud
(1856-1939), father of psychology, and Emile Durkheim (1858-1917), father of
sociology, developed entirely new disciplines based on the modern world-view and its
spirit of independence from religion and authority. Charles Darwin (1809-1882) seemed
to provide modernity with the proof for its experiment in progress with his Hegelian
version of biological evolution. These disciplines would provide certainty at last and
serve humanity in the goal of universal knowledge and progress. Where theology once
provided the "big picture," a unified way of viewing distinct disciplines, fragmentation
began to take place in understanding the world and the self. Friederich Schleiermacher
(1768-1834), the father of modern liberal theology, attempted to reconcile Christianity
"Blind watch-maker" deism may work when the universe is viewed as a machine which,
once built and started, runs under its own power. But that world-view has passed.
Scientists now see the cosmos as always changing, constantly in flux, and that dynamic
character appears chaotic. Instead of being like a machine, it is like a modern symphony,
where at certain points the orchestra seems to be out of control. But in reality each
musician is closely following the notes printed on the page, composed by one artist and
directed by another. In other words, science is demonstrating every day the impossibility
of the odds that such observable "randomness" and "chaos" could actually be unchecked
without the slightest accident destroying us all in a variety of ways. That is why Einstein
said, "I do not believe that God plays dice with the universe." If there is a God, he is
directly involved in every detail of our existence: That is the great news that science
offers to believers in this present day. Deism is simply not an option, at least in theory,
and that is very good news.
Seems to be making fun of Horton? Sera un caso de hubris, se burla de Horton, la frase, run a machine out on the Intersate , me parece frase de Los Angeles California, se hizo su cartilla y piensa irse correr por el autopista?? Pecado de hubris???
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Note added at 13 hrs (2023-04-10 23:10:13 GMT)
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links https://www3.dbu.edu/naugle/pdf/2303_handouts/ModernismPostm...
about Horton https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/6578980.Michael_S_Ho...
quote..The Tower of Babel: Modernity built the
tower - now postmodernity must face the
challenge of condemning the "unsafe
structure."
by Michael Horton
The article is used with permission from the September/October 1995 issue of Modern
Reformation, a superb magazine available from CURE, 2221 East Winston Road Suite K,
Anaheim, CA 92806.
various meanings of MACHINE....It was this basic orientation that inspired the prophets of the modern world in Europe and
America. In the United States, pragmatism was promulgated by William James (1842-
1910). In a modern world, where the machine is the key paradigm, whatever works is the
test of truth. John Dewey (1859-1952), father of modern education, Sigmund Freud
(1856-1939), father of psychology, and Emile Durkheim (1858-1917), father of
sociology, developed entirely new disciplines based on the modern world-view and its
spirit of independence from religion and authority. Charles Darwin (1809-1882) seemed
to provide modernity with the proof for its experiment in progress with his Hegelian
version of biological evolution. These disciplines would provide certainty at last and
serve humanity in the goal of universal knowledge and progress. Where theology once
provided the "big picture," a unified way of viewing distinct disciplines, fragmentation
began to take place in understanding the world and the self. Friederich Schleiermacher
(1768-1834), the father of modern liberal theology, attempted to reconcile Christianity
"Blind watch-maker" deism may work when the universe is viewed as a machine which,
once built and started, runs under its own power. But that world-view has passed.
Scientists now see the cosmos as always changing, constantly in flux, and that dynamic
character appears chaotic. Instead of being like a machine, it is like a modern symphony,
where at certain points the orchestra seems to be out of control. But in reality each
musician is closely following the notes printed on the page, composed by one artist and
directed by another. In other words, science is demonstrating every day the impossibility
of the odds that such observable "randomness" and "chaos" could actually be unchecked
without the slightest accident destroying us all in a variety of ways. That is why Einstein
said, "I do not believe that God plays dice with the universe." If there is a God, he is
directly involved in every detail of our existence: That is the great news that science
offers to believers in this present day. Deism is simply not an option, at least in theory,
and that is very good news.
Seems to be making fun of Horton? Sera un caso de hubris, se burla de Horton, la frase, run a machine out on the Intersate , me parece frase de Los Angeles California, se hizo su cartilla y piensa irse correr por el autopista?? Pecado de hubris???
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Note added at 13 hrs (2023-04-10 23:10:13 GMT)
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links https://www3.dbu.edu/naugle/pdf/2303_handouts/ModernismPostm...
about Horton https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/6578980.Michael_S_Ho...
Example sentence:
It is the confidence in the machine, in organized labor, management, and distribution; in science, technology, social and material progress; in consumerism and marketing and in the strength of economic systems to liberate the human spirit (whether capital
Discussion
That would be run out of.... which is not the case here. The set of prepositions is OUT ON TO which delivers a different meaning.
Besides, ¿what did Horton run out in terms of a critic?
https://www.ministrysamples.org/excerpts/TWENTY-ONE-ITEMS.HT... In these verses there are exactly twenty-one items. The first is lovers of self. I believe that we all know that humanity is a matter of love. Human beings are not ***machines;**
Either way I can't make head or tail of the sentence, sorry.
Anyway it could also be parsed as "he / ran his machine out (i.e. ran out his machine) / onto the interstate" rather. than "he ran/ his machine / out onto the interstate". See what I mean?
All the info is within the provided links and the question itself:
Michael Horton has criticized Witness Lee, particularly, the text "The word powerful means dynamic. The Greek word comes from the noun dynamo. It refers to a kind of power like that of a nuclear bomb.."
Now, we have more information, which didn't appear in previous posts.
The QUESTION IS: WHAT DOES THE UNIDENTIFIED AUTHOR MEAN BY "HE RAN HIS MACHINE OUT ON TO (ONTO) THE INTERSTATE? WHAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION/UNDERSTANDING OF IT? IS THERE AN IDIOM FROM WHICH THE EXPRESSION OF THE AUTHOR DERIVED? ¿How would you express it in italian? No indeed many questions, but one. Just a way to rephrase the same question.
Further to this: who is your client? Ask them to clarify what' s unclear in the source text. Other English speakers already told you that it's not clear what is meant. That's not a time-honored idiomatic expression, nor a quote from some earlier works. Hence we cannot just make out what the author (whoever is he/she) meant. Ask - Your - Client - For - Explanations. It's your God-given right as a translator. When I write my "The Perfect Translator's Guide" , that will be the first tenet, in capital font. If you're doing this for yourself and have no client, then I don't know.
I, for one, can't understand what is meant by it and even less can give you a possible Italian translation. "Run a (unspecified) machine" usually means operate it, set it in motion figuratively (not necessarily involving displacement). I don't see why one would operate a machine on an intestate rather than "drive/run a car/other means of transportation" on it
If you check the provided link https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english/religion/7126718-run-his-... you will see that a couple of colleagues gave their understanding of that text. When that link was posted, there was a lot of information missing.
If you check the provided link https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english/religion/7126718-run-his-... you will see that a couple of colleagues gave their understanding of that text. When that link was posted, there was a lot of information missing.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/interstate
I confirm the text is about Religion + Theology.
For example: "The word powerful means dynamic. The Greek word comes from the noun dynamo. It refers to a kind of power like that of a nuclear bomb." refers to the power of Christ.
Other keywords: Witness Lee, Michael Horton, John M. Frame.
The text is an extract of a publication related to Religion and Theology dealing with the works of Witness Lee, authors that have criticized him like Michael Horton, amongst other things.