| Pages in topic: [1 2] > | Just a newbie curious about the art of translation for literary works Thread poster: Simay Toy
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Simay Toy
Türkiye
Local time: 05:50
French to English
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Hello everyone,
I'm currently started to translate a book from french to turkish. I wanted to ask for advice like if is there any software you're using or any recommandations for literary translations.
Thank you, have a nice day
| | | | Recep Kurt 
Türkiye
Local time: 05:50
Member (2011)
English to Turkish
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| Any CAT would do | Jan 18, 2023 |
I translated a few books using Trados, but any CAT tool would do. They give you a nice overview of the material and the term base functions will come handy if you need to keep track of some specific terminology or names. I highly recommend using one.
If you have the time, read ahead before you translate.
After you translate a part, read it again after a while to see if there is anything that sounds off.
Enjoy the process.
| | | | Joakim Braun
Sweden
Local time: 04:50
German to Swedish
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| Any word processor + no fancy tools | Jan 18, 2023 |
Don't use CAT if this is a literary work.
You might even consider writing drafts with a pencil.
An online thesaurus is helpful if you're pressed for time, otherwise I'd skip that.
| | | | | CAT is helpful | Jan 19, 2023 |
You can use SmartCAT, which is free. I'm using it for a personal project of book translation. Don't listen to the anit-CAT luddites. They would be writing 'drafts' with feathers if they had enough ink and spill-proof inkpots. CAT is helpful, e.g. you can always search for a word and compare quickly how you translated it in different contexts, for consistency or, on the contrary, to use the correct alternative for the specific context.
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Joakim Braun
Sweden
Local time: 04:50
German to Swedish
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Evgeny Sidorenko wrote:
They would be writing 'drafts' with feathers if they had enough ink and spill-proof inkpots.
Quills.
| | | | Samuel Murray
Netherlands
Local time: 04:50
Member (2006)
English to Afrikaans
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If you do consider using a CAT tool, try paragraph segmentation instead of sentence segmentation. This is very easy with e.g. OmegaT, which is a free CAT tool. However, I recommend you use the program for a few regular test translations, so that you know how the program works, before committing days and days' worth of work to it.
| | | | Kay Denney
France
Local time: 04:50
French to English
Evgeny Sidorenko wrote:
You can use SmartCAT, which is free. I'm using it for a personal project of book translation. Don't listen to the anit-CAT luddites. They would be writing 'drafts' with feathers if they had enough ink and spill-proof inkpots. CAT is helpful, e.g. you can always search for a word and compare quickly how you translated it in different contexts, for consistency or, on the contrary, to use the correct alternative for the specific context.
I just recently upgraded to the latest version of Word, and you can search for a word and have all instances of where it has been used listed. OK you'd have to have both source and target on the screen, but I usually do anyway.
I am no Luddite, having used several different CAT tools when appropriate for many years. It's great for software manuals, but not for the type of text I work on. I don't translate literature, but I do translate content that leans creative, and the problem with CATs is that they tend to hamper creative flair.
For example, you might want to rearrange the order of ideas, you might need to make shorter or longer sentences (I don't know which might apply in your language pair, in English I'm always cutting three-liner sentences in my source text into at least two if not three sentences, and sometimes tacking a bit from the middle of one sentence onto the end of the next one). While you can sometimes split and join segments, it can be tedious, with the result that you often end up just translating each segment like it stands completely on its own.
You might like to do a first draft in a CAT tool, which would ensure that you don't leave anything out, but then you'll need to do some extensive editing once you've exported it, to the point that the TM is not going to be much help at all.
| | | | | I vaguely suspect the OP wants to explore non-CAT software choices as well | Jan 19, 2023 |
Like a super-capable literary MT engine to double your work speed or something. I can't recommend any because I'm a Luddite, but I'd like to read an anti-Luddite discussion evolving along this avenue (or a rant on how the rest of us Luddites don't know the first thing about using MT). Maybe my suspicion is wrong, but this post is not serious either
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Platary (X)
Local time: 04:50
German to French
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| What kind of book is it? | Jan 19, 2023 |
Simay Toy wrote:
I wanted to ask for advice like if is there any software you're using or any recommandations for literary translations.
It all depends on what you call "literary translation". If it's a novel or a fiction, forget all the translation tools: you are the other "author". All you need is a word processor.
Now what kind of book is it?
For a technical book or similar, it may indeed be interesting to use a translation aid: MemoQ, Trados Studio, Wordfast, CafeTran, OmegaT (free). See if the possible cost of such a tool is justified.
Godd luck!
| | | | Simay Toy
Türkiye
Local time: 05:50
French to English
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TOPIC STARTER | The book titled La Sorcière by Jules Michelet. Historical work within a literary tone | Jan 19, 2023 |
I'm translating french to turkish. I just wonder what technic the other people using in this site. Personally i'm not a big fan of using cat tools for literary works. Because of my last job i sorta feel pressed to translate faster, so deep down i'm quiet bitter about scolding for being slow and now i'm cutting my daily trauma throw here.
Adrien Esparron wrote: Simay Toy wrote:
I wanted to ask for advice like if is there any software you're using or any recommandations for literary translations.
It all depends on what you call "literary translation". If it's a novel or a fiction, forget all the translation tools: you are the other "author". All you need is a word processor. Now what kind of book is it? For a technical book or similar, it may indeed be interesting to use a translation aid: MemoQ, Trados Studio, Wordfast, CafeTran, OmegaT (free). See if the possible cost of such a tool is justified. Godd luck!
| | | | Simay Toy
Türkiye
Local time: 05:50
French to English
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TOPIC STARTER | Well Sir your suspicion was correct | Jan 19, 2023 |
Like you mentionned, there is lots of lots of tools but to me these tools are still not capable of giving the true essence of a literary work.
That's why i was curious about what other's thinks or what they do. Hence i would not consider myself as a luddite but i can say that i would like to live in a more analogue or manual world. For now use one tool for seeing other options but in the end i use my own translation most of the times especially if i'm translating to turkish.
Denis Fesik wrote:
Like a super-capable literary MT engine to double your work speed or something. I can't recommend any because I'm a Luddite, but I'd like to read an anti-Luddite discussion evolving along this avenue (or a rant on how the rest of us Luddites don't know the first thing about using MT). Maybe my suspicion is wrong, but this post is not serious either
| | | | Platary (X)
Local time: 04:50
German to French
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| A considerable work that goes beyond the scope of a tool! | Jan 19, 2023 |
La sorcière !!!
If I take a small random extract from the text, I can see the enormous difficulty of such an undertaking... No translation tool can cope with such a complexity.
L’illuminisme de la folie lucide, qui, selon ses degrés, est poésie, seconde vue, pénétration perçante, la parole naïve et rusée, la faculté surtout de se croire en tous ses mensonges. Don ignoré du sorcier mâle. Avec lui, rien n’eût commencé.
Oui, i... See more La sorcière !!!
If I take a small random extract from the text, I can see the enormous difficulty of such an undertaking... No translation tool can cope with such a complexity.
L’illuminisme de la folie lucide, qui, selon ses degrés, est poésie, seconde vue, pénétration perçante, la parole naïve et rusée, la faculté surtout de se croire en tous ses mensonges. Don ignoré du sorcier mâle. Avec lui, rien n’eût commencé.
Oui, il faut prendre le temps et s'imprégner d'une écriture qui n'est plus tout à fait celle d'aujourd'hui...
Bon courage et bravo pour relever un tel défi ! ▲ Collapse
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Simay Toy
Türkiye
Local time: 05:50
French to English
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TOPIC STARTER | I certainly agree with you | Jan 19, 2023 |
Monsieur, merci de votre appréciation à cet œuvre. Oui c'est pas facile à comprendre et ceci sera difficulte pour traduire mais comme vous avez dit, on doit relever les œuvres uniquement rédigés tel La Sorcière. Je vous encore remercie pour me donner le courage.
Adrien Esparron wrote:
La sorcière !!!
If I take a small random extract from the text, I can see the enormous difficulty of such an undertaking... No translation tool can cope with such a complexity.
L’illuminisme de la folie lucide, qui, selon ses degrés, est poésie, seconde vue, pénétration perçante, la parole naïve et rusée, la faculté surtout de se croire en tous ses mensonges. Don ignoré du sorcier mâle. Avec lui, rien n’eût commencé.
Oui, il faut prendre le temps et s'imprégner d'une écriture qui n'est plus tout à fait celle d'aujourd'hui...
Bon courage et bravo pour relever un tel défi !
| | | | | | Simay Toy
Türkiye
Local time: 05:50
French to English
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TOPIC STARTER
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