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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

véhicule remorqué

English translation:

hauled vehicle

Added to glossary by Tony M
Apr 24, 2010 15:16
14 yrs ago
French term

véhicule remorqué

French to English Tech/Engineering Transport / Transportation / Shipping Railway network
In conditions of use for rolling stock on Luxembourg railway network, this term occurs once within a list of conditions of use, as follows:

• Avant l'incorporation du véhicule précité dans un train, l'expéditeur doit confirmer par écrit que les conditions d'acheminement comme véhicule remorqué sont remplies.

I know that in railway contexts, 'vehicle' is indeed used in the context of rolling stock; but my research so far has failed to come up with any conclusive confirmation of 'towed vehicle' relating specifically to rail vehicles; it's quite hard to sort the 'wheat from the chaff', as there is so much 'noise' from references to road vehicles :-(
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 hauled vehicle
3 +2 Towed/drawn vehicle
4 trailer
3 -1 rolling stock ('car' in N. America)
References
trailed vehicle

Discussion

Tony M (asker) Apr 24, 2010:
Not moving the goalposts... It's just that this is a rather special beastie: it is referred to as an 'engine' and a 'locomotive', but it cannot be used as such on Luxembourg railways, as it does not meet certain safety standards; hence, it can only be used as a 'véhicule remorqué'. It clearly is part of what is referred to as 'rolling stock' — but that is not the term required here to translate 'véhicule remorqué'
Tony M (asker) Apr 24, 2010:
No more details ...it's just the technical specification of the vehicle, and the identification, etc. It is definitely a railway engine, and although it seems to be self-powered; for technical reasons, it can only be used in 'trailed' mode on the public railway network, except under certain specific circumstances.

The real point here is how do railways describe 'remorqué' as far as rolling stock is concerned?
Jack Dunwell Apr 24, 2010:
Yes This was really a question for Tony. Clearly he objects to your answer, JML, but there are more details available, it seems, not given, that make him object, as an englishman, to a french canadian response. .
jmleger Apr 24, 2010:
You can find such nomenclature
Rolling Stock Category: Trailer
Jack Dunwell Apr 24, 2010:
If it's "précité" What was said about it?

Proposed translations

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hauled vehicle

in fact, this is more complicated than you probably realise. The term in French is normally used when referring to a locomotive, traction unit or power car that is not running under its own steam but incorporated in the consist of another train to be hauled from one place to another. This can happen for a variety of reasons - following a breakdown, need for transfer to the depot or repair sheds, light running to economise on fuel/power, etc.

I suspect you may be a little out of your depth here and it would take me far too long to explain

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Exactly - this happens when locomotives belonging to one operator are taken for repair to the depot of another - in your case, I susepct that a foreign operator is sending a locomotive on CFL lines and it has to go for some sort of operation to a CFM depot. Once on depot premises, it has to be hauled from one place to another. This is just one example of what can happen
Note from asker:
That's exactly the point I've been trying to get across — I'm not that far out of my depth! This is indeed a locomotive, but for regulatory reasons, has to be used as part of another train; that far, I'd got... it was just the correct term for 'remorqué' that I couldn't find... and I think you've found it.
Peer comment(s):
agree Alison Sabedoria (X) : "Hauled" sounds right to me. In 50 years of living with train-mad men I must have absorbed something!
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2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks a lot for your help! 'Haul' is certainly a term I'm familiar with in railway jargon, and this term seems the best choice — especially as the definition you give corresponds exactly to my context."
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Towed/drawn vehicle

towed vehicle
drawn vehicle

Two possibilities.
Note from asker:
Thanks for your contribution! Unfortunately, I couldn't find a lot of corroboration for this on the 'Net, as a term specifically relating to railway rolling stock
Peer comment(s):
agree Michel F. Morin : Towed vehicle: OK
6 hrs
Thanks a lot!
agree Hazel Le Goff
17 hrs
Thanks a lot!
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trailer

I suppose they mean anything trailed by a semi.

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-04-24 16:30:56 GMT)
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In 1967, the Vermont Railway created a new opportunity for the shippers of Vermont, trailer-on-flat-car. Operating piggyback service in and out of Vermont, the Vermont Railway grew the intermodal trailer fleet to over 6,000 units and became one of the largest trailer operators in the nation; as well as being an integral part of the development of intermodal equipment. With the new success of intermodal traffic, Vermont Railway added terminals in Chicago and St. Louis, and more recently Memphis, to handle the high demand for the Vermont Railway trailer fleet.
Note from asker:
I don't think so, J-M: this is specifically in a context of <i>railway</i> rolling stock, so nothing to do with trucks, I'm afraid :-(
Right, though that still seems to be describing the loading of a <i>road</i> trailer onto a flatbed waggon, doesn't it?
Thanks for your contribution! Unfortunately, I couldn't find a lot of corroboration for this on the 'Net, as a term specifically relating to railway rolling stock
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2 hrs

rolling stock ('car' in N. America)

I reckon it simply refers to 'rolling stock', of whatever kind (freight wagons, passenger carriages, etc.) as distinct from 'locomotives' and other units used to provide traction or command of the train.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/fra/securiteferroviaire/regles-tco095-13...

3.12 « inspecteur accrédité de [b]matériel remorqué[/b] » : personne formée, qualifiée et certifiée pour faire l'examen et l'entretien de l'équipement de frein du matériel remorqué; (certified [b]car[/b] inspector)

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From the same webref:
4.1 Les compagnies ferroviaires doivent s'assurer que leurs inspecteurs accrédités de matériel remorqué possèdent la formation et la compétence nécessaires pour effectuer des essais de frein sur les wagons et/ou sur les voitures en conformité avec le présent Règlement ...

Note that the doc. includes Canadian English translations of defined terms.

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You are moving the goalposts, Tony. That's not cricket!

The question says "véhicule remorqué", and you frst lead us to believe it refers to 'rolling stock'. Now you tell us "It is definitely a railway engine..." - and in the next breath you cast doubt on that saying that "it [i]seems[/i] to be self-powered".

If it ain't self-powered, then it ain't an engine. And if it [i]is[/i] an engine, then it ain't 'rolling stock', it's 'traction stock':

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Now, coming back to the question:

Many comon railway terms are drawn (sic) from the days of horse-drawn (re-sic) transport, and the term 'drawn stock' is used to refer to any 'stock' that is 'drawn', whether it be traction stock or rolling stock:

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Note from asker:
The trouble with 'rolling stock' is that I already have 'matériel roulant', and what do you do when you need a countable? 'A rolling vehicle'?
Thanks, R, for your contribution! Unfortunately, this was rather a special case: a locomotive that was not being used under its own power. As RK says, <i>every</i>thing that rolls on a railway track is 'rolling stock', so that sadly doesn't really quite address the key issue here.
Peer comment(s):
disagree rkillings : "Rolling stock comprises all the vehicles that move on a railway."
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trailed vehicle

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