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Jun 2, 2010 14:21
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Spanish term

secreto ibérico

Spanish to English Other Cooking / Culinary
See previous entry - it's a cut of Ibérico pig meat.
El secreto es otra pieza con mucha grasa intermuscular, y está integrada por latísimo del dorso.

Thanks
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 secreto ibérico (highly-marbled cut of pork from behind the shoulder blade)
4 +1 Iberico pork fillet
5 organic / acorn-fed Iberian pork secreto
4 Iberian pork Fillet
3 Iberian secret
3 pork scruff (neck)

Discussion

Caroline Handley (asker) Jun 3, 2010:
Hi Noni - your previous answer was very helpful - thanks! And don't worry, I'm not asserting it's organic or even acorn-fed or free range, as there's nothing in my text to say it is...
Rick Larg Jun 2, 2010:
http://repsol.com/es_en/casa_y_hogar/cocina/report Please see the link provided by Maria Badea in answer to the "presa" question
Noni Gilbert Riley Jun 2, 2010:
Previous discussion http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/cooking_culinar...
Can't find my other rant - maybe I just imagined I had "put it to paper"!!
Noni Gilbert Riley Jun 2, 2010:
@William / European market Please let me have a little rant (not at you now William, but at the market in general!!).
We organic producers have to spend a great deal of money on being allowed to use the organic rating - there is an amount per animal slaughtered, cost of inspections, higher quality controls, independent laboratory tests on all organic feed used, the years that the land has to be certified before you can even let the animals graze on it etc etc... ;-)
Pretty sure I've already had a rant on Proz on the subject of what Ibérico/Bellota/Recebo is in reality - if I can find it I'll put up the link! Thanks all, rant over.
David Brown Jun 2, 2010:
secreto iberico I wouldn't say it was "quality" either, its a fatty part of the pig between the top of the head and is more of a "delicacy" (which means don't it eat too often or your arteries will seize up)
William Pairman Jun 2, 2010:
Just to clarify something here... I'm proposing the possible addition of free-range or acorn-fed (not organic, I accept thats too specific a term) to highlight that this is high-end meat, not standard mass-produced pork. Most English speakers who are not familiar with Spain /productos ibéricos wont be familiar with the animal so the additions to Iberian/Iberico highlight the meat quality.
William Pairman Jun 2, 2010:
Fair 'nuff Free-range then, tho in all probability it is organic
Noni Gilbert Riley Jun 2, 2010:
Organic Organic should mean quality but not all quality meats are organic! More later...

Proposed translations

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secreto ibérico (highly-marbled cut of pork from behind the shoulder blade)

As you say, you should leave the name of the cut in Spanish, as this could is particular to Spain.

As for a description, I found this nice one (and adapted it slightly) from the website below.
"highly-marbled cut of pork from behind the shoulder blade"

http://global-gal.com/2009/04/14/great-feasts-secreto-iberic...

Noni is the expert on Iberico pigs see her post in a previous proz question:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/cooking_culinar...

One thing I would say is that if it is indeed a highly marbled cut (I don't actually know as I have never seen it), then "pork fillet" could be misleading as to me this give the impression of a cut that is free from fat.
Peer comment(s):
agree William Pairman : Thats a fine answer Wil, the "explanation" part is spot on. Agree on the pork fillet comment to, it brings to mind a sort of minute steak affair
1 hr
Thanks for your comments William, saludos!
agree Kate Major Patience : This fits the context. :)
3 hrs
Thanks Kate, saludos!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks for the help - and the useful link to Noni's previous help. In the end as it's a list of all three within a research brief, not on a menu, on the basis of all the discussions I've sided with the explanation idea. So to keep it short in this context I've decided it's best to leave all three, followed by a general comment, special cuts from the shoulder/loin area. Thanks for helping guide me towards this decision"
2 mins

Iberian secret

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Journeys - On the Trail of Spain's Acorn-Fed Hams - NYTimes.com
Jan 17, 2010 ... A traveler sets off on the Iberian ham trail, from Salamanca to ... we order the esoteric-sounding secreto Ibérico, or Iberian secret. ...
travel.nytimes.com › Europe › Spain - Similar
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LaTienda in the Press - The New York Times, January 2010
Jan 17, 2010 ... my friend Joan insisted we order the esoteric-sounding secreto Ibérico, or Iberian secret. This simply presented pork filet, ...
euro.tienda.com/press/articles.html?id=167 - Cached
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&bienvenidos=WELCOME TO SANT MARTÍ RESTAURANT &bienvenidos2=surf ...
&plato1=Magret of duck all'oporto with potato purée and caramelized onion &plato2=Iberian secret with mushroom sauce &plato3=Goat cheese lollipops with ...
www.santmarti-restaurant.com/sm_english.txt - Cache
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4 mins

Iberico pork fillet

Answer given in a previous Proz posting:

http://esl.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/cooking_culinar...
Peer comment(s):
agree ERNESTO GARCIA MARIN
52 mins
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28 mins

organic / acorn-fed Iberian pork secreto

As the cut doesn't exist in the English-speaking pork world, I'd leave it as it is. Translating it is misleading (there isnt any secret really) and reminds me of that 60s/70s fad for calling foods Chicken etc "Surprise". Leaving it in Spanish (maybe in italics) adds to the exotic-ness and makes it sound appealing/appetising, the aim of a menu translation

The use of "organic" and or "acorn-fed" is a further way of underlining the quality of the meat, that this is a cut above your average pork chop :o)

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-06-02 15:26:19 GMT)
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Scratch organic, add free range
Altho the chances are it is organic :o)
Peer comment(s):
neutral Noni Gilbert Riley : No grounds for use of the term "organic"
14 mins
see above
neutral David Brown : I am not talking about your answer!. I am talking about the question!
2 hrs
Well, you're missing my final sentence for a start
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1 hr

Iberian pork Fillet

The Iberian "secret" pork fillet:
Summary of answers provided. 4, Iberico pork fillet ... secreto Ibérico, or Iberian secret. This simply presented pork filet, . ...
www.proz.com/kudoz/.../3874909-secreto_ibérico.html - hace 48 minutos
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Saludos,
eski
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2 hrs

pork scruff (neck)

I seem to be at odds with everyone else but I believe they are all part of the neck
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