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Jul 16, 2016 09:13
7 yrs ago
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Dutch term

Trilvork

Dutch to English Tech/Engineering Chemistry; Chem Sci/Eng Safety, measurement system
"een onafhankelijke overvulbeveiliging op de **** tank geplaatst i.c. via een trilvork met interlock."

trilvork" rel="nofollow">https://www.cheyns.be/nl-be/ecommer­ce/catalogue?search=trilvork

Chemical plant, safety system, measurement.

Document is an inspection report.

Source text is Flemish.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +1 vibronic fork
4 vibrating fork
References
FWIW: level sensors

Discussion

Barend van Zadelhoff Jul 16, 2016:
FWIW Interesting linguistic detail:

The term "vibronic" originates from the combination of the terms "vibrational" and "electronic".

Michael Beijer Jul 16, 2016:
Yes, I was expecting you to agree with both, … or at least one. That's why I was puzzled.

Thanks for the ref, which is useful.
Barend van Zadelhoff Jul 16, 2016:
Okay, dan is dat duidelijk.
In jouw optiek zou ik dus allebei een agree moeten geven.

Zie dan verder hieronder waarom ik die 'reference comment' heb geplaatst.
Michael Beijer Jul 16, 2016:
The reason I posted an almost identical answer to freek's is I never saw his before posting mine. I got the alert in my email, went to the page, did a quick google, and posted my Discussion entry (to the effect that I thought it was "vibrating fork"). Then, I googled it again, and posted my answer. By the time I had clicked "send", or whatever the button's called, and the page had refreshed, I then saw that freek had also posted an answer. I then googled one last time, and since I agreed with his answer, clicked on Agree.
Barend van Zadelhoff Jul 16, 2016:
Nou ja, als het antwoord van Freek 'perfectly correct' is dan vraag ik me af waarom jij " to such great lengths" gaat om een 'perfectly synonymous' antwoord te geven.

Waarom ik die 'reference comment' heb geplaatst? :
1) omdat jij stug vol bleef houden dat 'tuning fork' een goede optie was terwijl ik er geen voorstander van ben; 'tuning-fork style/like/shaped' zou dan een goed compromis zijn
2) mijn referentie plaatst 'fluid level measurement' en 'vibrating point' in een breder kader, wat nuttig kan zijn voor de vraagsteller.
3) ik weet (nog) niet wat een juist/het beste antwoord is in deze specifieke context. Wat is die 'interlock' bijvoorbeeld?
Michael Beijer Jul 16, 2016:
@Barend: I don't quite understand why you went to such great lengths to prove that a synonym I gave along with my main answer is wrong, but seem unwilling to tell us what you think is right, whereas I think freek and I provided two perfectly correct answers. Sort of feels like a waste of everyone's time.
Michael Beijer Jul 16, 2016:
I see. :-)
Barend van Zadelhoff Jul 16, 2016:
I am not supposed to agree with an answer or to suggest an answer in the D-box.

If I wish I may agree with an answer or suggest an answer in the answer section.

It was designed for it.
Michael Beijer Jul 16, 2016:
@Barend: OK, so now we know that you would avoid "tuning fork". What would you use, as the best translation? vibronic fork? (freek's answer) vibrating fork (my main answer)? something altogether different?
Michael Beijer Jul 16, 2016:
there are more than enough, very reliable looking UK-English refs for "tuning fork", such as this one:

"Fail safe self monitoring level switch
If you want to detect liquid level directly with a switch, or you have an existing float switch, you could consider an upgrade to a more secure ‘fail safe’ device. A tuning fork level switch uses a vibrating element to detect liquid level by monitoring the change in vibration frequency when immersed in a liquid. It can be mounted in any orientation and supplied at various lengths in a range of materials. A tuning fork vibrating level switch will work on a range of changing densities, pressures and temperatures, with the new, latest generation vibrating switches capable of liquid specific gravities."

(http://www.offshore-europe.co.uk/__novadocuments/103289?v=63... )
Michael Beijer Jul 16, 2016:
@Barend: see: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="detect liquid level" tuni... (Google search for: "detect liquid level" tuning fork)

as I said, it's not as common as vibrating/vibronic, but I don't think it's incorrect.
Michael Beijer Jul 16, 2016:
I think it might be a "vibrating fork". see e.g.: http://www.solidsprocessing.nl/expertise_center/tuning-fork-...

"Synonyms
vibrating fork level indicator, Vibrating switches, Trilvork niveauschakelaars, Trilvork niveaumelders, Trilvorkschakelaars Suggest synonyms"

Proposed translations

+1
5 mins

vibronic fork

Peer comment(s):
agree Michael Beijer : vibrating/vibronic/tuning forks
12 mins
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10 mins

vibrating fork

See my discussion entry.

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"Rosemount vibrating fork switches are used to detect liquid level for high and low level alarms, overfill prevention, pump control, and hygienic applications. They are immune to changing process conditions and provide easy installation with no calibration required.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"

(http://www2.emersonprocess.com/en-us/brands/rosemount/level/... )

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Note added at 13 mins (2016-07-16 09:27:00 GMT)
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"Vibrating Fork Level switches utilize a piezoelectric-driven tuning fork that exhibits a large change in resonant frequency when immersed into a liquid or bulk solid process." (http://new.abb.com/products/measurement-products/level/vibra... )

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synonym: tuning fork

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Note added at 16 mins (2016-07-16 09:30:22 GMT)
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and some info on interlocks in connection with vibrating/vibronic/tuning forks:

"E.g. contact manometer, tuning fork/vibronic fork … " (https://prezi.com/ar4wcolxhg0c/interlock-diagrams/ )

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"Fail safe self monitoring level switch
If you want to detect liquid level directly with a switch, or you have an existing float switch, you could consider an upgrade to a more secure ‘fail safe’ device. A tuning fork level switch uses a vibrating element to detect liquid level by monitoring the change in vibration frequency when immersed in a liquid. It can be mounted in any orientation and supplied at various lengths in a range of materials. A tuning fork vibrating level switch will work on a range of changing densities, pressures and temperatures, with the new, latest generation vibrating switches capable of liquid specific gravities." (http://www.offshore-europe.co.uk/__novadocuments/103289?v=63... )

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Note added at 9 hrs (2016-07-16 18:22:33 GMT)
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aka "tuning-fork style (vibration sensor)" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_sensor#Vibrating_point )
Peer comment(s):
neutral Barend van Zadelhoff : A tuning fork (stemvork) is used by otolaryngologists and orthopaedic surgeons for example rather than in chemistry http://tinyurl.com/jxqytnh // I would avoid it as an option given the strong ambiguity.
3 hrs
Barend, the main 2 terms used are vibrating fork, and vibronic fork. However, if you look at reliable English-language refs, you'll see that they're sometimes also referred to as "tuning forks", obviously because they resemble the musical ones.
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Reference comments

7 hrs
Reference:

FWIW: level sensors

Level sensors detect the level of liquids and other fluids and fluidized solids, including slurries, granular materials, and powders that exhibit an upper free surface. Substances that flow become essentially horizontal in their containers (or other physical boundaries) because of gravity whereas most bulk solids pile at an angle of repose to a peak. The substance to be measured can be inside a container or can be in its natural form (e.g., a river or a lake). The level measurement can be either continuous or point values. Continuous level sensors measure level within a specified range and determine the exact amount of substance in a certain place, while point-level sensors only indicate whether the substance is above or below the sensing point. Generally the latter detect levels that are excessively high or low.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_sensor

Vibrating point

These detect levels of very fine powders (bulk density: 0.02 g/cm3 – 0.2 g/cm3), fine powders (bulk density: 0.2 – 0.5 g/cm3), and granular solids (bulk density: 0.5 g/cm3 or greater). With proper selection of vibration frequency and suitable sensitivity adjustments, they can also sense the level of highly fluidized powders and electrostatic materials.

Single-probe vibrating level sensors are ideal for bulk powder level. Since only one sensing element contacts the powder, bridging between two probe elements is eliminated and media build-up is minimized. The vibration of the probe tends to eliminate build-up of material on the probe element. Vibrating level sensors are not affected by dust, static-charge build-up from dielectric powders, or changes in conductivity, temperature, pressure, humidity or moisture content. Tuning-fork style vibration sensors are another alternative. They tend to be less costly, but are prone to material buildup between the tines,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_sensor#Vibrating_point
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Michael Beijer : Thanks for proving I was right (about use of the phrase "tuning fork" in this context) ;-) / neither would I. I just gave it as a synonym, as I found it used on reputable sites. my main answer is "vibrating fork", which you apparently don't agree with
1 hr
--> 'tuning-fork style/like/shaped vibration sensors' takes the strong ambiguity out of it. I would not use 'tuning fork/stemvork'.
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