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Feb 2, 2023 09:37
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Spanish term

Sede de Conclusiones

Spanish to English Law/Patents Law (general)
"A modo de cierre, extrapólense los alegatos plasmados a la consideración que se hizo en Sede de Conclusiones respecto del Affidavit de IPF, no pudiendo incidir en modo alguno el código normativo inglés."

Not clear about Sede de Conclusiones in this context. I think it means something like "with respect to" or "as part of" the court of judges final conclusions/decision.

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks
Proposed translations (English)
3 At the findings stage
3 conclusions stage /phase / Conclusions
4 -1 Venue of Pleadings (UK: Statements of Case)
3 Pleadings Stage

Discussion

Jane Martin Feb 3, 2023:
@ Phil Indeed - and some of the comments I was referring to have now been removed. I am totally happy with friendly disagreement.
philgoddard Feb 3, 2023:
Not unpleasant at all There's nothing wrong with friendly disagreement.
Jane Martin Feb 3, 2023:
Can I just say that the tone of some of the comments posted here has been quite unpleasant. We are all professional translators trying to help a fellow translator with a difficult term. There is absolutely no reason to - as Phil says - shoot others' answers down in flames'. A polite disagree and explanation is all that is needed. Just saying.
AllegroTrans Feb 3, 2023:
The Court... and only the Court, makes conclusions, i.e. resulting in a judgment/order
The parties can make "concluding arguments/submissions" but these are not conclusions
In English legal parlance these (and other written documents such as a claim, defence, counterclaim etc.) are usually referred to as pleadings
Sandro Tomasi Feb 3, 2023:
@Phil You said you don't believe "conclusiones" is a false friend. You are correct.

Black’s Law Dictionary states, “conclusion. 1. The final part of a speech or writing (such as a jury argument or a pleading).”

I’ll tell you what, though, in my neck of the woods, “closing aruments” and “summation” are commonly used. What about yours?
philgoddard Feb 2, 2023:
My suggestion 'During the conclusions/closing arguments'.

I'm not going to submit this since everyone (including me) seems to be shooting everyone else down in flames!

I don't believe "conclusiones" is a false friend. It means what it says.
AllegroTrans Feb 2, 2023:
Lisa Way off-beam, again
Lisa Rosengard Feb 2, 2023:
The conclusions can be the research from investigation or findings which can then be considered for evaluation before reaching a summation or final decision.
Lisa Rosengard Feb 2, 2023:
I suggest it means: 'By means of closure, extrapolate (analyse, assess, evaluate and attempt to understand) the allegations captured in consideration, which were made on the Case of Conclusions with respect to written statements by oath, unable to incite the code of normative (standard) English in any way.' The Case of Conclusions could be the formative and decisive evaluation of the allegations which were made and could have been difficult to consider or understand.
Stuart and Aida Nelson Feb 2, 2023:
Sandro Yes, I also understand it to be the part when the closing arguments or summation takes place.
Sandro Tomasi Feb 2, 2023:
alegatos / conclusiones Wouldn't this be closing arguments and summation?
philgoddard Feb 2, 2023:
I think you're parsing the sentence wrongly, perhaps influenced by the incorrect capitals.
"En sede de" simply means "in":
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-general/557...
(I think the wrong answer was chosen here.)
Toni Castano Feb 2, 2023:
@Dan Can you confirm if your text deals with the Spanish "jurisdicción contencioso-administrativa"?
Stuart and Aida Nelson Feb 2, 2023:
Sede de conclusiones with respect or as a part...

Can the conclusions be a part of the consideration of legal issues?

In a trial, the consideration of legal issues takes place first and then the conclusions follow.

IMHO, the source paragraph is not very well written. I also find very confusing:

a la consideración que se hizo en Sede de Conclusiones.

As I understand, after reading the paragraph again, a la consideración goes together with extrapolar : extrapólense a la consideración, which can be understood in different ways...

Or is it plasmados a la consideración ?
Stuart and Aida Nelson Feb 2, 2023:
La consideración se hizo en Sede de Conclusiones, la cual está escrita en mayúsculas.

Proposed translations

3 hrs

At the findings stage

That's what I think 'conclusiones' means here, the judges al getting into a judgely huddle to discuss the findings.
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5 hrs

conclusions stage /phase / Conclusions


Conclusions stage /phase or just Conclusions depending on your translation.

Explanation:

La fase de conclusiones en el juicio ordinario es aquella con la que termina la vista y cuya finalidad consiste en que las partes hagan una exposición al tribunal de la valoración fáctica y jurídica de las pretensiones debatidas a la vista de la prueba practicada.

https://vlex.es/tags/conclusiones-juicio-ordinario-794573

Y continúa señalando la citada resolución judicial que, sobre esta cuestión la parte actora no realizó alegación alguna en sede de conclusiones limitándose, en dicho escrito a realizar, únicamente,

https://vlex.es/tags/conclusiones-juicio-ordinario-794573

During all stages of the trial, jurors may take notes of proceedings.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/courtroom/jury...

Consideration of Legal Issues

Before the prosecution and defence make their closing speeches to the jury, the judge and the prosecution and defence advocates will consider any matters of law that the jury will need to be directed on as part of the judge’s
summing-up.

In summing-up the case to the jury, the judge will say that if the jury conclude that the defendant did not give evidence because

https://www.defence-barrister.co.uk/crown-court-trial-defenc...

extrapolar a la consideración

extrapolar

Aplicar a un ámbito determinado conclusiones obtenidas en otro.

https://dle.rae.es/extrapolar?m=form
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Venue of Pleadings (UK: Statements of Case)

Pleadings now known as Statements of Case in England and Wales.

The 'al cierre' is misleading and ought not to be 'extrapolated' to the conclusions cf. conclusions in French as first-stage or +amended+ pleadings.

extrapólense los alegatos plasmados a la consideración que se hizo en Sede de Conclusiones respecto del Affidavit de IPF, no pudiendo incidir en modo alguno el código normativo inglés." > let the exhibits added for the (court's) consideration that had been carried out at the (+non-English+) Venue of Pleadings in respect of ..., the *English* Code of (Civil) Procedure being unable to hav any impact (*on a foreign venue*).
Reference:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-patents/132304-escrito-de-conclusiones.html

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-patents/516039-sede-de-instancia.html

Peer comment(s):
neutral AllegroTrans : Only answer not to fall into the false friend trap
2 hrs
disagree philgoddard : Sede doesn't mean venue here. Try fitting it into the sentence - it simply doesn't work. Also, your first reference says "conclusions".
3 hrs
agree Toni Castano : This might be a right answer too (we just don´t know actually, since the asker doesn´t respond to any questions). And "Sede" (capitalized!) could also mean what you say. I cannot accept the previous disagree.
16 hrs
disagree Zorra Renard : Venue isn't the right term here, sorry.
1 day 18 hrs
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Pleadings Stage

The stage in a civil case during which parties are permitted (usually within a set timetable) to submit pleadings

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Pleading - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Pleading
In law as practiced in countries that follow the English models, a pleading is a formal written statement of a party's claims or defenses to another party's ...
‎Examples · ‎Systems · ‎Common law · ‎Code

Pleading | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
https://www.law.cornell.edu › Wex › Pleading
Definition. Pleading is the beginning stage of a lawsuit in which parties formally submit their claims and defenses.



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Conclusiones definitivas en el juicio oral

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Son los actos de las partes del proceso por los que se ratifican o modifican las conclusiones provisionales, que se verifican mediante la presentación de un escrito en el acto del juicio oral, tras la práctica de las pruebas. Constituyen la delimitación final de la acusación, debiendo resolver el Tribunal sobre la pretensión ejercida en las mismas.



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Las conclusiones importan en el proceso - delaJusticia.com
https://delajusticia.com › 2017/05/04
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4 May 2017 — Se trata de la última ocasión para conducir los hechos y las pruebas, junto con la norma, bien hilvanadas para persuadir o convencer al juez. Se ...

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Las conclusiones sirven para hacer la apelación final al juez, después de las pruebas y de todo lo visto en el proceso, para que considere o no la pretensión que se busca con el proceso. Finalmente en esta fase, se emitirá la sentencia que es la decisión que da el juez y que pone fin al proceso.

La fase de conclusiones y la sentencia en el proceso civil
Peer comment(s):
disagree philgoddard : Your references are contradictory. "Pleading is the beginning stage of a lawsuit." "Las conclusiones sirven para hacer la apelación final al juez."
15 hrs
There are such things as final pleadings/submissions
agree Zorra Renard
1 day 11 hrs
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