puits isolé

English translation: single shaft

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French term or phrase:	puits isolé
English translation:	single shaft
Entered by:	liz askew

10:18 Jan 24, 2024

French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Construction / Civil Engineering / Concrete foundations

French term or phrase: puits isolé

In a rather telegraphic works progress report for a large industrial construction project.

Referring to a type of foundation — clearly, a localized small foundation for e.g. a signle column or pile, as distinct from a linear strip foundation.
Can anyone tell me the proper technical term for this?
And as an associated term, cnay anyone tell me what we'd call a 'masse isolée' — here, it appears just to be referring to the lump of concrete that constitutes this 'puits isolé'
Thanks in advance for your insights!

Tony M KudoZ activity Questions: 333 (2 open) (30 closed without grading) Answers: 15219 France
Local time: 09:36

single shaft

Explanation:
From the references quoted

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or

single block (for massif)

https://www.translatorscafe.com/tcterms/en-US/question.aspx?...

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or

foundation base

https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/construction-ci...

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https://vitrinelinguistique.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/fiche-gdt/fiche/...

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https://patents.google.com/patent/FR2845705A1/en
The reinforcing procedure for a pylon's foundations, comprising a concrete block with a sole (5) below it for each of the pylon's feet and a socket (6) .

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liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:36

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Summary of answers provided

4 +2

single shaft

liz askew

3 +2

individual shaft foundation / foundation shaft

Bourth

Insulated well

Anastasia Kalantzi

separate wellpoint

Adrian MM.

Summary of reference entries provided

Quelques pistes

david henrion

suggestion

liz askew

Discussion entries: 15

Tony M

France

ASKER

@ Herr Gleim

13:55 Feb 8

As I have already made abundantly clear, there is no further context!
This is just a list of items, and those with the appropriate relevant knowledge have already been able to give definitive answers.

Daryo

United Kingdom

I'm the first to ask for more context

03:15 Jan 30

when it's needed.

But here the meaning of "puits isolé" is already clear enough.

It's a hole in the ground dug in form of a well, that will be filled later with a concrete foundation. What makes it "isolé" is that it "stands alone" - as opposed to the case when a number of "puits" are dug in a cluster and once filled with concrete will be used together to support some construction above them.

In the same way "massifs isolés" would be unconnected lumps of concrete - "isolés" in the sense of each being "standalone".

see this example:

Massifs isolés et semelles filantes de fondations des balcons en pignon, escaliers et paliers des entrées etc
https://www.battyconstruction.fr/rehabilitation-de-92-logeme...

"semelle filante" is ONE foundation block going all along external walls so by opposition "massifs isolés" would be separate "punctual" foundations.

Johannes Gleim

@ Tony

21:58 Jan 25

It would be extremely helpful if you could provide us with sufficient context, rather than asking for individual terms. You can reword, but the construction must be clearly identifiable.

Tony M

France

ASKER

@ Lisa

14:27 Jan 25

Thank you for your contribution, but I'm afraid all your points are incorrect.
1) As I have made it quite clear, this is about building foundations; nothing do do with mineshafts etc. It's important to remember that the fundamental meaning of 'puits' is essentially 'pit'
2) As I have corrected, 'masse' was my error, it should have been 'massif'
3) But in any case, the meaning in geology is only one narrow sense from the much wider underlying meaning of the word.

Lisa Rosengard

United Kingdom

11:04 Jan 25

It's about a mineshaft, well, pit or a particular hole in the ground. The French vocabulary is confusing. un masse is a tool used for a type of heavy duty ground labour. A massif is a connection within a group of rocks or mountains in geology.

Tony M

France

ASKER

CORRECTION!

14:56 Jan 24

For the second term i was asking about, the term used is actually 'massifs isolés.
Apologies for my slip!

Tony M

France

ASKER

No context

14:55 Jan 24

Sorry, there is literally no more context: this is just a list of items being planned.

And no, it is nothing to do with either water or oil — this is specifically relating to concrete foundations

philgoddard

United States

14:00 Jan 24

Emmanuella's link is relevant. So is this previous question, also by Tony: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/construction-civ...

Emmanuella

Italy

13:54 Jan 24

Un lien quelconque ?
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/construction-ci...

philgoddard

United States

13:40 Jan 24

Puits could be pit. And I suspect the context won't be very helpful, but yes, we still need to see it.

Anastasia Kalantzi

Greece

Les types de fondation

13:18 Jan 24

https://www.ge-2e.com/fondations-geologie-geotechnique-etude...

Robert Farren

Ireland

12:57 Jan 24

Some sentence context would be helpful.

Yassine El Bouknify

Morocco

12:48 Jan 24

Illustration d'un puits isolé
https://fr.123rf.com/photo_13524549_illustration-d-un-puits-...

Yassine El Bouknify

Morocco

12:47 Jan 24

Water well isolated on transparent background
https://www.freepik.com/premium-psd/water-well-isolated-tran...

Yassine El Bouknify

Morocco

Is it related to water or oil?

12:43 Jan 24

WATER PRODUCTION ISOLATION TECHNIQUES FOR OIL-WELLS WITH HIGH RESERVOIR TEMPERATURE

https://www.mmscience.eu/journal/issues/june-2023/articles/w...

Answers

3 hrs confidence:

separate wellpoint

Explanation:
> to start the ball rolling and pending a diagram or drawing to confirm or disaffirm the one in the discussion entry.

Better post masse isolée as a separate term. Meantime, subject to any ideas from my builder bother-in-law from Croydon: a separate slab.

Example sentence(s):

IATE: fr épuisement par puits filtrants isolés COM en drainage by separate well points
Each section that you pour will be a separate slab surrounded by expansion joints on all sides.

Reference: http://www.stuartwells.co.uk/dewatering-methods/well-pointin...

Adrian MM.
Austria
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 11

3 hrs confidence:

Insulated well

Explanation:
Une proposition basée sur la référence que j'ai donné ci-dessus dans l'espace de la discussion, pas avec une grande certitude, mais simplement une proposition qui pourrait bien être valable dans ce cas.

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isoler [qch]⇒ vtr (protéger des températures extérieures) insulate
https://www.wordreference.com/fren/isolé
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjGqXxHl6RQ
https://www.amazon.com/insulated-well-pump-cover/s?k=insulat...
https://www.outbuildingsok.com/insulated-well-houses.html

Anastasia Kalantzi
Greece
Local time: 10:36
Native speaker of: Greek

5 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

single shaft

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:36
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 114

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4 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

individual shaft foundation / foundation shaft

Explanation:
That's a very good question, Tony, and I thank you for asking it! ;-)

I've not encountered the term, though puits in this context is obviously 'shaft', so I'd say 'shaft foundation' as a starting point. I don't know that puits or shaft foundations can be anything BUT isolés ... I suppose, though, you could have a string of contiguous shafts, just as you can have contiguous piles (secant piling). Recherche faite, yes, there is such a concept as secant shafts (also tangent shafts): https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/engineering/geotech/nhi18024.pdf

"Shaft foundations. These are constructed within deep excavations supported by lining constructed in place and subsequently filled with concrete or other prefabricated load-bearing units."
[Civil Engineer's Reference Book, L.S. Blake]
As opposed to pile foundations which are not (generally) supported (even if they are not simply piles driven or screwed into the ground, being of reduced diameter, support is not generally required).

If we consider shallow foundations, we have (from my notes):
Semelle isolée - Individual footing; isolated or pad footing [Chudley,vol2,p16-18; CW,19.5.93 p25]

So 'individual/isolated shaft foundation' or 'individual/isolated foundation shaft' would get the correct message across.

It's not common, but you will find 'individual shaft foundation' (and 'grouped shaft foundation') here:
https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/server/api/core/bitstreams/997db...

I get the impression 'shaft' in the above refers to an oversize 'pile' given that the grouped shafts are the foundation beneath what would normally be called a 'pile cap'.

Note the US 'well foundation' (from my notes again):

Pier foundations - puits de fondation - excavation into which concrete foundation is cast; not as deep as pile foundations, and more massive. Aka "well foundation" in US (and India). Often referred to as "puits marocain" (top-down concrete lined excavation subsequently filled with concrete), though this is really a subset, in any case, a "puits marocain" is in my experience always for a bridge pier, so there may be confusion.

Your masse might be an error for massif which, as described here (I can't cut/paste it), is synonymous with puits :
https://www.ge-2e.com/fondations-geologie-geotechnique-etude...
And from my notes:
Massif de fondation - Foundation block [Blake, 17/26, 27/34], pedestal - In one case the 'foundation block' is the pedestal on which machinery is placed, in the other it is a pile/shaft with an enlarged 'elephant foot'.

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Reading the text in the image below (fondations profondes filantes vs puits isolés), I conclude that the isolé is tautological reinforcement, i.e. as first said above 'shafts cannot be anything BUT isolés. So, just 'shafts', 'foundation shafts', and quite possibly simply 'piles' if, as you say, they are a 'small localized foundation for a single column'.

Bourth
France
Local time: 09:36
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 93

Reference comments

2 hrs

Reference: Quelques pistes

Reference information:
Je pense que vous savez déjà ce que c'est en français mais au cas où, vous pouvez consulter ces deux sites pour les fouilles en puits et en pleine masse.
https://www.editions-eyrolles.com/Dico-BTP/definition.html?i...
https://www.m-habitat.fr/terrassement-et-fondation/fouilles-...

david henrion
France
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

French

2 hrs

Reference: suggestion

Reference information:
single shaft?

based on a lot of reading

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https://s3.amazonaws.com/suncam/docs/376.pdf

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see "puits ou massif"

https://www.ge-2e.com/fondations-geologie-geotechnique-etude...

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https://ftp.txdot.gov/pub/txdot-info/cmd/cserve/specs/1995/s...

If the shaft is lengthened, the longitudinal bars and lateral reinforcement ... All dowel bars shall be adequately supported and may be inserted after concrete ...

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massif, see:

https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/construction-ci...

liz askew
United Kingdom
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 114

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